1 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:19,480 [Music] 2 00:00:29,050 --> 00:00:24,960 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:33,890 --> 00:00:29,060 standard of paranormal radio now here's 4 00:00:35,870 --> 00:00:33,900 gene Steinberg so things are kind of 5 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:35,880 messy here we've all kind of sort of 6 00:00:41,330 --> 00:00:38,489 moved recently and we're trying to get 7 00:00:46,729 --> 00:00:41,340 our collective acts together cope with 8 00:00:47,810 --> 00:00:46,739 late summer heat which always is 9 00:00:51,229 --> 00:00:47,820 horrendous 10 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:51,239 we need another visit from something 11 00:00:56,420 --> 00:00:53,370 like a visit from ET to straighten us 12 00:00:58,850 --> 00:00:56,430 out because we are sure in a messy 13 00:01:01,340 --> 00:00:58,860 situation aren't we so what have you 14 00:01:03,319 --> 00:01:01,350 been up to in recent weeks that our 15 00:01:05,420 --> 00:01:03,329 listeners want to know about it well 16 00:01:08,359 --> 00:01:05,430 we're you know again the San Luis Valley 17 00:01:11,210 --> 00:01:08,369 a camera project is you know I mean it's 18 00:01:13,490 --> 00:01:11,220 been a really frustrating process over 19 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:13,500 the years but we finally did a 20 00:01:20,420 --> 00:01:16,050 conference call with our isp guy and we 21 00:01:22,910 --> 00:01:20,430 have a retired teacher and scientist in 22 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:22,920 crest stone who's up about 400 feet off 23 00:01:28,669 --> 00:01:25,170 the valley floor and has a real good 24 00:01:31,309 --> 00:01:28,679 line-of-sight with our tower so we can 25 00:01:34,550 --> 00:01:31,319 Swinehart the isp the owner of amiga 26 00:01:36,290 --> 00:01:34,560 nets climbing the tower and gonna put up 27 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:36,300 our first camera and then he's already 28 00:01:41,270 --> 00:01:38,610 checked the line-of-sight configuration 29 00:01:44,150 --> 00:01:41,280 for how big of a transceiver dish that 30 00:01:46,430 --> 00:01:44,160 he needs to put up on our new location 31 00:01:48,050 --> 00:01:46,440 in crest owns house we're gonna be doing 32 00:01:50,540 --> 00:01:48,060 two birds in one stone basically we're 33 00:01:52,669 --> 00:01:50,550 gonna have two cameras up at once in one 34 00:01:54,380 --> 00:01:52,679 fell swoop basically we should be 35 00:01:55,969 --> 00:01:54,390 looking at being operational here in the 36 00:01:58,070 --> 00:01:55,979 next couple of weeks with two cameras 37 00:01:58,490 --> 00:01:58,080 not just one so pretty excited about 38 00:02:00,889 --> 00:01:58,500 that 39 00:02:03,169 --> 00:02:00,899 everybody is on the same page you know 40 00:02:05,029 --> 00:02:03,179 we're not having any problems with line 41 00:02:07,550 --> 00:02:05,039 of sight like we did in the Alamosa 42 00:02:09,650 --> 00:02:07,560 location and so we're pretty excited 43 00:02:11,930 --> 00:02:09,660 this is gonna be really nice to to get 44 00:02:14,930 --> 00:02:11,940 two cameras up and have them talking to 45 00:02:17,030 --> 00:02:14,940 each other an extremely fast internet t2 46 00:02:19,430 --> 00:02:17,040 speeds so this is pretty exciting news 47 00:02:21,050 --> 00:02:19,440 other nap like you said we're dealing 48 00:02:23,570 --> 00:02:21,060 with the heat my new place is very 49 00:02:26,390 --> 00:02:23,580 difficult to keep cool it almost forces 50 00:02:28,699 --> 00:02:26,400 me to leave the house I'm also working 51 00:02:31,339 --> 00:02:28,709 on a follow-up to stock in the herd and 52 00:02:34,020 --> 00:02:31,349 I'm also working on a another book which 53 00:02:36,380 --> 00:02:34,030 is going to be looking at the occult 54 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:36,390 you follow G and how ritual and occult 55 00:02:41,940 --> 00:02:39,010 subjects have been intertwined with 56 00:02:44,460 --> 00:02:41,950 ufology for probably thousands of years 57 00:02:46,710 --> 00:02:44,470 and so I'm gonna be doing a look at that 58 00:02:48,660 --> 00:02:46,720 and I'm also developing a new talk 59 00:02:51,270 --> 00:02:48,670 PowerPoint presentation that I'm gonna 60 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:51,280 be taking on the road which will look at 61 00:02:55,949 --> 00:02:53,170 this particular subject as well so I've 62 00:02:58,020 --> 00:02:55,959 been keeping busy the camera project 63 00:03:00,860 --> 00:02:58,030 here I've always been interested in 64 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:00,870 anything that will allow us to monitor 65 00:03:07,259 --> 00:03:03,130 paranormal activity what bothers me very 66 00:03:09,420 --> 00:03:07,269 much here is the fact that we have these 67 00:03:11,850 --> 00:03:09,430 other projects about UFO detection 68 00:03:14,070 --> 00:03:11,860 systems and things like that and they 69 00:03:16,410 --> 00:03:14,080 never go anywhere it's difficult it's 70 00:03:17,820 --> 00:03:16,420 it's not easy as that one is the only 71 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:17,830 one that's really been pulled off but 72 00:03:23,100 --> 00:03:20,410 that's only a single camera so you can't 73 00:03:24,750 --> 00:03:23,110 really triangulate data with only one 74 00:03:27,870 --> 00:03:24,760 camera obviously you need at least a 75 00:03:28,830 --> 00:03:27,880 minimum of two and Mark Dantonio and 76 00:03:31,500 --> 00:03:28,840 Douglas Rumbles 77 00:03:33,630 --> 00:03:31,510 UFO tog program is dead in the water for 78 00:03:35,790 --> 00:03:33,640 some reason I'm not sure why I haven't 79 00:03:38,460 --> 00:03:35,800 heard I'd know hear anything from Mark 80 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:38,470 Roger and Leslie keen about the UFO data 81 00:03:44,789 --> 00:03:42,850 idea saying here you and I talked to 82 00:03:47,819 --> 00:03:44,799 them on the power cast I don't know 83 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:47,829 quite some time ago and you offered your 84 00:03:53,819 --> 00:03:51,370 services yeah and I guess they contacted 85 00:03:57,060 --> 00:03:53,829 you once or twice and then never never 86 00:03:59,310 --> 00:03:57,070 followed up yeah so why does none of 87 00:04:01,259 --> 00:03:59,320 this ever get done it's a variety of 88 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:01,269 reasons biting off more than you can 89 00:04:06,630 --> 00:04:04,090 chew obviously when you're beholden on 90 00:04:08,550 --> 00:04:06,640 people doing me favors instead of paying 91 00:04:11,130 --> 00:04:08,560 people to do things you're at their 92 00:04:13,380 --> 00:04:11,140 mercy my particular project we you know 93 00:04:15,030 --> 00:04:13,390 we ran in our first location we ran into 94 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:15,040 problems because they were they were 95 00:04:18,210 --> 00:04:16,450 moving out of the building remember we 96 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:18,220 did have the camera for six months on 97 00:04:22,950 --> 00:04:20,530 top of a building in downtown Alamosa 98 00:04:24,930 --> 00:04:22,960 and they the meter net move so we had to 99 00:04:27,930 --> 00:04:24,940 take down the camera in our second 100 00:04:29,969 --> 00:04:27,940 location the guy kind of flipped out 101 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:29,979 because his kids couldn't download 102 00:04:33,300 --> 00:04:31,690 movies he couldn't get his mail 103 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:33,310 there was just enough bandwidth to 104 00:04:36,930 --> 00:04:35,050 operate the camera and pretty much 105 00:04:38,730 --> 00:04:36,940 nothing else so he had to choose between 106 00:04:40,590 --> 00:04:38,740 having a camera no internet for his 107 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:40,600 family and of course you know which way 108 00:04:43,649 --> 00:04:41,050 he went 109 00:04:45,300 --> 00:04:43,659 the third location we just could not get 110 00:04:47,519 --> 00:04:45,310 around the trees that were blocking the 111 00:04:50,219 --> 00:04:47,529 to sight lines that we needed all the 112 00:04:52,649 --> 00:04:50,229 sightlines we're free and clear but the 113 00:04:54,029 --> 00:04:52,659 two sightlines we needed to get to the 114 00:04:56,009 --> 00:04:54,039 internet to the tower 115 00:04:57,989 --> 00:04:56,019 we're blocked by trees and we try as we 116 00:04:59,939 --> 00:04:57,999 might we just could not find a way to 117 00:05:01,319 --> 00:04:59,949 work around that except to build a tower 118 00:05:02,249 --> 00:05:01,329 out in his yard and we've been have the 119 00:05:04,829 --> 00:05:02,259 money to do that 120 00:05:07,649 --> 00:05:04,839 well now we're on a we're going to our 121 00:05:11,669 --> 00:05:07,659 first cameras going up on a tower that 122 00:05:13,859 --> 00:05:11,679 is owned by the owner of the ISP in the 123 00:05:17,249 --> 00:05:13,869 area and so we're gonna have a direct 124 00:05:18,899 --> 00:05:17,259 Ethernet link with a width I think 125 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:18,909 whatever's faster than at t2 it's a 126 00:05:23,789 --> 00:05:21,849 fiber line I believe and and then we're 127 00:05:25,469 --> 00:05:23,799 gonna be shooting that signal from that 128 00:05:27,419 --> 00:05:25,479 tower we're gonna be about 80 feet up 129 00:05:29,039 --> 00:05:27,429 and that's in the middle of the valley 130 00:05:32,129 --> 00:05:29,049 and we're gonna be shooting across to 131 00:05:35,189 --> 00:05:32,139 crest stone and and then talking to a 132 00:05:37,499 --> 00:05:35,199 dish on the house of of our second 133 00:05:40,049 --> 00:05:37,509 location that's in the vodka Grande and 134 00:05:41,849 --> 00:05:40,059 then you know our third location 135 00:05:44,159 --> 00:05:41,859 hopefully is going to be the Great Sand 136 00:05:46,829 --> 00:05:44,169 Dunes Oasis which we've been planning on 137 00:05:48,809 --> 00:05:46,839 doing for quite some time but it's it's 138 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:48,819 really difficult in the valley because 139 00:05:55,949 --> 00:05:51,610 of the distances to to have you know 140 00:05:57,359 --> 00:05:55,959 real reliable internet for free and 141 00:05:58,789 --> 00:05:57,369 since we're working with the ISP guy 142 00:06:01,559 --> 00:05:58,799 we're not gonna have to spend you know 143 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:01,569 ungodly amounts of money every month for 144 00:06:06,179 --> 00:06:04,329 you know real fast internet connections 145 00:06:08,459 --> 00:06:06,189 so we're really blessed to be working 146 00:06:09,719 --> 00:06:08,469 with the one of the local ISPs there so 147 00:06:12,209 --> 00:06:09,729 that's that's really gonna help us out 148 00:06:14,219 --> 00:06:12,219 but boy I'm really excited about today's 149 00:06:15,299 --> 00:06:14,229 show I mean you know I am NOT a fanboy 150 00:06:18,209 --> 00:06:15,309 by any stretch of the imagination 151 00:06:21,149 --> 00:06:18,219 there's very few people that I'm fans of 152 00:06:24,869 --> 00:06:21,159 and Jacques Vallee is definitely one of 153 00:06:28,349 --> 00:06:24,879 them he he is by far I believe to be the 154 00:06:31,889 --> 00:06:28,359 most influential and important theorist 155 00:06:33,389 --> 00:06:31,899 I think in the in the field besides ray 156 00:06:37,589 --> 00:06:33,399 Stanford there's no one I respect more 157 00:06:39,449 --> 00:06:37,599 and I'm really really just so happy that 158 00:06:43,079 --> 00:06:39,459 we're gonna have him on and talk about 159 00:06:45,119 --> 00:06:43,089 is his journals and the new three books 160 00:06:48,569 --> 00:06:45,129 at that he's got out so this is really 161 00:06:50,719 --> 00:06:48,579 gonna be a lot of fun we have some very 162 00:06:54,349 --> 00:06:50,729 interesting questions from our listeners 163 00:06:57,779 --> 00:06:54,359 focusing less on those three books the 164 00:07:00,600 --> 00:06:57,789 forbidden science books that are being 165 00:07:04,350 --> 00:07:00,610 republished by anomalous books 166 00:07:07,170 --> 00:07:04,360 focusing in general on his research and 167 00:07:10,050 --> 00:07:07,180 this is just utterly fascinating that 168 00:07:12,029 --> 00:07:10,060 his path to get from there to here 169 00:07:14,100 --> 00:07:12,039 because when I met him it I don't know 170 00:07:17,670 --> 00:07:14,110 if he remembers that I'm gonna ask but I 171 00:07:20,580 --> 00:07:17,680 meant Jacque it was 1965 and he was a 172 00:07:22,350 --> 00:07:20,590 young man not as young as I that's right 173 00:07:26,510 --> 00:07:22,360 when his first book came out anatomy of 174 00:07:30,179 --> 00:07:26,520 a phenomenon it was a fairly traditional 175 00:07:34,939 --> 00:07:30,189 et sort of UFO book 176 00:07:37,439 --> 00:07:34,949 yeah he's come a long way in any case 177 00:07:39,689 --> 00:07:37,449 we're gonna cover a lot of things and 178 00:07:41,459 --> 00:07:39,699 last time we had jock on this show we 179 00:07:44,189 --> 00:07:41,469 only had an hour with him 180 00:07:46,860 --> 00:07:44,199 what so now we have him for the full 181 00:07:50,129 --> 00:07:46,870 show now he was on one time previous to 182 00:07:52,499 --> 00:07:50,139 that booth our prior co-host and that 183 00:07:54,629 --> 00:07:52,509 show never aired because the first hour 184 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:54,639 disappeared and he didn't want to do it 185 00:07:59,369 --> 00:07:58,090 again due to some kind of system glitch 186 00:08:02,760 --> 00:07:59,379 and I have no idea what the system 187 00:08:04,980 --> 00:08:02,770 glitch was but was a it wasn't rude it 188 00:08:08,369 --> 00:08:04,990 was it would have been rude to have 189 00:08:11,159 --> 00:08:08,379 asked two more expected him it's weird 190 00:08:12,450 --> 00:08:11,169 that you did it disappeared yeah it 191 00:08:17,610 --> 00:08:12,460 would I never had that happen before 192 00:08:20,189 --> 00:08:17,620 since never never never had asked the 193 00:08:23,189 --> 00:08:20,199 old tricksters lurking around oh yeah 194 00:08:26,129 --> 00:08:23,199 then I say that that trickster I want to 195 00:08:34,969 --> 00:08:26,139 say that with an accent yeah well you 196 00:08:36,519 --> 00:08:34,979 roll your R's roll yes okay all right 197 00:08:39,189 --> 00:08:36,529 let's see what's the 198 00:08:40,689 --> 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about the para cast 324 00:14:12,830 --> 00:14:09,120 sent it to news at the para caste calm 325 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:12,840 that's news at the para caste calm and 326 00:14:18,020 --> 00:14:14,850 don't forget to visit our famous para 327 00:14:23,060 --> 00:14:18,030 caste community forums at forum dot the 328 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:23,070 para cast calm so before we got 329 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:26,850 connected with Jacque fillet I tested 330 00:14:31,460 --> 00:14:28,890 several ways of talking with him 331 00:14:35,030 --> 00:14:31,470 so we tried Skype through his mobile 332 00:14:37,790 --> 00:14:35,040 phone and the reception was spotty but 333 00:14:41,900 --> 00:14:37,800 he has a great landline and it works 334 00:14:44,540 --> 00:14:41,910 fine so you're a tech guy why do we run 335 00:14:47,570 --> 00:14:44,550 into stuff like this Jacque it's a great 336 00:14:51,410 --> 00:14:47,580 question I have two landlines because I 337 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:51,420 often do conferences with companies and 338 00:15:00,650 --> 00:14:55,290 you know it always works the Skype is a 339 00:15:03,770 --> 00:15:00,660 great idea and it almost works it almost 340 00:15:07,130 --> 00:15:03,780 worked a couple of times and now it's 341 00:15:09,470 --> 00:15:07,140 kind of going downhill actually they are 342 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:09,480 overloading it with lots of quote 343 00:15:16,580 --> 00:15:12,810 features that people enjoy and they're 344 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:16,590 fun but it makes the whole thing less 345 00:15:21,410 --> 00:15:19,650 reliable and you know sometimes you 346 00:15:24,020 --> 00:15:21,420 don't care I mean if you're you know 347 00:15:27,260 --> 00:15:24,030 calling family members so on and you 348 00:15:30,020 --> 00:15:27,270 just want to chat it's okay for quality 349 00:15:32,540 --> 00:15:30,030 isn't that great my other problem with 350 00:15:35,810 --> 00:15:32,550 Skype is that it's not secure it has 351 00:15:38,900 --> 00:15:35,820 bugs and people can hack into your 352 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:38,910 profile and heaven knows what else 353 00:15:46,940 --> 00:15:43,110 another thing I don't like is again a 354 00:15:51,140 --> 00:15:46,950 new feature that pops up in a number of 355 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:51,150 those online systems it wants to grab 356 00:15:59,060 --> 00:15:54,690 all your pictures or your images or your 357 00:16:02,090 --> 00:15:59,070 photographs from from your thighs to put 358 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:02,100 them in a cloud because they can resell 359 00:16:08,270 --> 00:16:05,490 that to advertisers and but at least 360 00:16:10,790 --> 00:16:08,280 Skype ask your permission to do that so 361 00:16:12,830 --> 00:16:10,800 you have a chance to say no there are 362 00:16:15,130 --> 00:16:12,840 others that just don't do bother to ask 363 00:16:18,950 --> 00:16:15,140 you know I think there would be 364 00:16:20,020 --> 00:16:18,960 something of a of a backlash to that 365 00:16:22,370 --> 00:16:20,030 kind of thing 366 00:16:24,380 --> 00:16:22,380 privacy is being ignored by all those 367 00:16:28,010 --> 00:16:24,390 companies and I think that's wrong 368 00:16:30,260 --> 00:16:28,020 that's speaking as an all time around 369 00:16:33,100 --> 00:16:30,270 the Internet this you know yeah that's 370 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:33,110 that's a real problem and it's gonna be 371 00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:37,110 continue to be a problem until somebody 372 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:39,600 figures out a way to come up with an 373 00:16:44,350 --> 00:16:42,090 encryption protocols that will enable 374 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:44,360 people to to keep you know sensitive 375 00:16:49,460 --> 00:16:46,170 information that they have in their 376 00:16:51,370 --> 00:16:49,470 computers you know out of the hands of 377 00:16:53,690 --> 00:16:51,380 people who would like to exploit them 378 00:16:56,660 --> 00:16:53,700 that's one of the reasons why I really 379 00:16:59,060 --> 00:16:56,670 prefer Mac to pcs because you tend to 380 00:17:01,190 --> 00:16:59,070 have less problems although it's not 381 00:17:04,910 --> 00:17:01,200 foolproof but I've never had a virus for 382 00:17:06,790 --> 00:17:04,920 instance that I know of and I feel it's 383 00:17:11,120 --> 00:17:06,800 a lot more stable and a lot more secure 384 00:17:14,300 --> 00:17:11,130 but the reason fewer viruses on Mac is 385 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:14,310 that the market is not this big you know 386 00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:16,890 the corporate market is mostly PCs and 387 00:17:21,710 --> 00:17:18,959 that's what the hackers want to go out 388 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:21,720 yes so if they code you know a virus 389 00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:24,450 bill and code it first for the for the 390 00:17:32,660 --> 00:17:27,839 PC market yeah so it's not that there is 391 00:17:34,550 --> 00:17:32,670 something magical inside the Mac so they 392 00:17:36,830 --> 00:17:34,560 don't bother making the the viruses 393 00:17:41,180 --> 00:17:36,840 because they don't they're not gonna 394 00:17:42,470 --> 00:17:41,190 cover as many platforms right yeah well 395 00:17:45,830 --> 00:17:42,480 again it's good to have you back on the 396 00:17:48,770 --> 00:17:45,840 show congratulations on the on the the 397 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:48,780 three book series with anomalous now at 398 00:17:52,970 --> 00:17:50,970 Patrick wheesh and the great 399 00:17:54,980 --> 00:17:52,980 organization over there probably one of 400 00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:54,990 my favorite publishers and in this 401 00:18:00,440 --> 00:17:57,600 particular realm and they always do a 402 00:18:02,570 --> 00:18:00,450 real good job of course we have Greg 403 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:02,580 Bishop did his project beta book there 404 00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:03,570 there's been a number of very good 405 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:06,240 titles that they've come out with in 406 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:08,730 over the years and definitely is it's a 407 00:18:13,730 --> 00:18:10,410 book series that that I'm looking 408 00:18:15,770 --> 00:18:13,740 forward to to acquiring myself I often 409 00:18:17,900 --> 00:18:15,780 tell people that I'm not much of a 410 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:17,910 fanboy but when it comes to your work I 411 00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:20,610 am your biggest fan and if you had a fan 412 00:18:27,140 --> 00:18:23,070 club I probably would elect myself 413 00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:27,150 president don't want to make you feel 414 00:18:31,670 --> 00:18:29,520 old but my one of my first UFO books I 415 00:18:33,070 --> 00:18:31,680 ever read was back when I was 9 or 10 416 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:33,080 years old and it was 417 00:18:36,879 --> 00:18:34,850 the book that you did with your wife and 418 00:18:38,649 --> 00:18:36,889 and we have a phenomenon and ever since 419 00:18:44,759 --> 00:18:38,659 then I devoured everything that you've 420 00:18:47,379 --> 00:18:44,769 you put out in the passport Magana 421 00:18:49,330 --> 00:18:47,389 messengers of deception dimensions 422 00:18:51,789 --> 00:18:49,340 revelations these are these are my very 423 00:18:54,580 --> 00:18:51,799 very favorite books I've ever read about 424 00:18:56,739 --> 00:18:54,590 these subjects and it's really good to 425 00:18:59,409 --> 00:18:56,749 see you out and about again I was it was 426 00:19:01,330 --> 00:18:59,419 a incredible pleasure and an honor to 427 00:19:04,299 --> 00:19:01,340 meet you a couple years ago a year and a 428 00:19:06,340 --> 00:19:04,309 half ago at the UFO Congress and I'm 429 00:19:07,749 --> 00:19:06,350 really glad to see that that you've 430 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:07,759 decided to kind of poke your head up a 431 00:19:13,090 --> 00:19:11,570 little bit here and and you know I'd be 432 00:19:15,249 --> 00:19:13,100 anything that we can do here at the pair 433 00:19:16,499 --> 00:19:15,259 of cast to help out believe me you don't 434 00:19:20,639 --> 00:19:16,509 hesitate to ask 435 00:19:27,159 --> 00:19:20,649 thank you you know sobbing science was 436 00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:27,169 is a diary and it's a little bit harder 437 00:19:31,749 --> 00:19:29,809 for people to get into you know reading 438 00:19:34,570 --> 00:19:31,759 the diary because you have to read it in 439 00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:34,580 a certain way it's archival work it's 440 00:19:42,460 --> 00:19:39,679 not you know a single topic you know 441 00:19:44,529 --> 00:19:42,470 while kind of book that takes you from 442 00:19:49,299 --> 00:19:44,539 page one to page two hundred or whatever 443 00:19:51,099 --> 00:19:49,309 this is I started that because there 444 00:19:53,379 --> 00:19:51,109 were just so many things happening and I 445 00:19:57,009 --> 00:19:53,389 wanted to keep a record and I thought 446 00:20:00,669 --> 00:19:57,019 that that record would be important for 447 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:00,679 people who came you know after me into 448 00:20:07,919 --> 00:20:03,289 the field so that they could because the 449 00:20:11,049 --> 00:20:07,929 story gets rewritten by whoever is 450 00:20:12,580 --> 00:20:11,059 prominent at the time so the skeptics 451 00:20:16,419 --> 00:20:12,590 are rewriting history 452 00:20:19,269 --> 00:20:16,429 you know the people interested in 453 00:20:22,570 --> 00:20:19,279 abductions are rewriting the history but 454 00:20:26,109 --> 00:20:22,580 the phenomenon is a certain territory so 455 00:20:28,899 --> 00:20:26,119 home and we have to learn from our 456 00:20:30,729 --> 00:20:28,909 mistakes and also there are things in 457 00:20:33,489 --> 00:20:30,739 the past that still true 458 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:33,499 you know surprise surprise we were just 459 00:20:40,899 --> 00:20:37,730 talking about Skype well Skype works on 460 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:40,909 the packet switching the park and packet 461 00:20:46,350 --> 00:20:44,090 switching was invented in 1965 and 462 00:20:50,430 --> 00:20:46,360 everybody has forgotten that because you 463 00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:50,440 new firms like Google and Facebook and 464 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:52,240 so on are doing their own marketing as 465 00:20:57,299 --> 00:20:54,970 if they had invented all that stuff but 466 00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:57,309 underneath you know you still have your 467 00:21:02,039 --> 00:20:59,919 reality the same thing for us phones I 468 00:21:06,649 --> 00:21:02,049 didn't have the intention of publishing 469 00:21:08,970 --> 00:21:06,659 it and I eventually published a 470 00:21:11,460 --> 00:21:08,980 hardcover edition that was kind of 471 00:21:13,139 --> 00:21:11,470 confidential and it you know it's 472 00:21:15,659 --> 00:21:13,149 surprisingly it's all pretty well 473 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:15,669 because they were researchers wanting to 474 00:21:21,419 --> 00:21:18,010 have that record if only so they could 475 00:21:24,259 --> 00:21:21,429 they could add to it or manage it 476 00:21:28,740 --> 00:21:24,269 according to their own reminiscences and 477 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:28,750 researches but then you know about six 478 00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:31,690 months ago I was in in Latin America and 479 00:21:37,049 --> 00:21:34,240 I discovered that people had those books 480 00:21:39,269 --> 00:21:37,059 on their cell phones because people have 481 00:21:42,419 --> 00:21:39,279 been scanning them and putting them on 482 00:21:45,269 --> 00:21:42,429 the Internet so I felt I might as well 483 00:21:48,629 --> 00:21:45,279 do an you know edited version and 484 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:48,639 publish it myself at a lower price so 485 00:21:54,779 --> 00:21:52,330 that's what anomalies has done and there 486 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:54,789 is an eBook version that's coming out as 487 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:55,210 well 488 00:22:01,259 --> 00:21:58,210 nobody those cover essentially three 489 00:22:05,279 --> 00:22:01,269 decades and volume three which is a 490 00:22:08,419 --> 00:22:05,289 newer one covers starting in 1980 so it 491 00:22:12,590 --> 00:22:08,429 covers a lot of really important stuff 492 00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:12,600 you know that you know including a 493 00:22:18,659 --> 00:22:15,039 transition of generations you know when 494 00:22:22,009 --> 00:22:18,669 dr. Hynek died of course and the number 495 00:22:25,710 --> 00:22:22,019 of the old research organizations 496 00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:25,720 changed leadership or disappeared a lot 497 00:22:30,269 --> 00:22:28,000 of data started to come out also in the 498 00:22:32,250 --> 00:22:30,279 80s then of course led to a time when 499 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:32,260 people became really interested in 500 00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:34,330 abductions and all kinds of new things 501 00:22:39,060 --> 00:22:37,360 in this field will continue with Jacques 502 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:39,070 Vallee in our next segment with Jean and 503 00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:52,390 you are listening to GPS 504 00:23:01,720 --> 00:22:58,490 visit GCN live.com today anytime 505 00:23:03,910 --> 00:23:01,730 anyplace anywhere radio remains the most 506 00:23:06,970 --> 00:23:03,920 intimate of all forms of media at home 507 00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:06,980 at work in the car on smartphones over 508 00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:09,440 90% 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game 607 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:24,590 for many many years 608 00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:26,690 I don't think Jacque that you even 609 00:27:33,130 --> 00:27:29,030 remember but I was a kid 610 00:27:36,250 --> 00:27:33,140 such as kids are I was 20 and I met up 611 00:27:39,549 --> 00:27:36,260 with a few friends of mine in Chicago 612 00:27:40,290 --> 00:27:39,559 with Jim Mosely and we visited you at a 613 00:27:45,070 --> 00:27:40,300 hotel 614 00:27:48,669 --> 00:27:45,080 dear Amit I do remember and I think I 615 00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:48,679 made a note somewhere in my Diaries 616 00:27:54,010 --> 00:27:51,470 because what surprised me was that the 617 00:27:54,580 --> 00:27:54,020 Jim Mosely you know was it was dream 618 00:27:58,150 --> 00:27:54,590 Mosely 619 00:28:01,120 --> 00:27:58,160 so he had a tape recorder that was 620 00:28:02,590 --> 00:28:01,130 hidden somewhere and we know this with 621 00:28:04,930 --> 00:28:02,600 tape recorders so after that the 622 00:28:08,380 --> 00:28:04,940 conversation became a little bit more 623 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:08,390 careful he was a little bit sneaky which 624 00:28:13,780 --> 00:28:10,730 was one of his amusing 625 00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,790 features that surprises me because I 626 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:15,440 don't remember Jim having a tape 627 00:28:19,330 --> 00:28:17,090 recorder it may have been somebody 628 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:19,340 else's because Jim never had a tape 629 00:28:23,710 --> 00:28:21,290 recorder but I know that we did have a 630 00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,720 tape recorder because after we visited 631 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:26,240 you the next day I think we went up to 632 00:28:31,540 --> 00:28:30,170 see Ray Palmer yeah and we had a tape 633 00:28:33,970 --> 00:28:31,550 recorder for that or you know obviously 634 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:33,980 a reel-to-reel and I interviewed him for 635 00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:36,290 radio one of my early radio interviews 636 00:28:41,950 --> 00:28:39,679 so I think any recording would have been 637 00:28:44,110 --> 00:28:41,960 one of the other guys probably Allen 638 00:28:46,540 --> 00:28:44,120 green feeling what I have to ring him up 639 00:28:48,190 --> 00:28:46,550 and see but I don't think you said 640 00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:48,200 anything really bad there but this was 641 00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:49,760 when you were out there promoting her 642 00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:52,910 first book anatomy of a phenomenon there 643 00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:55,910 was a time there was the faith magazine 644 00:29:02,890 --> 00:28:59,840 organized the commemoration of the 645 00:29:07,030 --> 00:29:02,900 Kenneth Arnold sighting if you remember 646 00:29:08,860 --> 00:29:07,040 and that's when I had the only chance I 647 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:08,870 had of meeting Ray Palmer 648 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:11,450 she was quite he was quite an 649 00:29:16,030 --> 00:29:14,210 interesting man so what she mostly by 650 00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:16,040 the way I mean I always enjoyed his 651 00:29:20,980 --> 00:29:18,559 writing because he wasn't he wasn't 652 00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:20,990 taking anybody seriously but he wasn't 653 00:29:26,020 --> 00:29:23,510 taking himself seriously either and that 654 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:26,030 was very refreshing and he had this 655 00:29:28,989 --> 00:29:27,049 little 656 00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:28,999 kazeem that that came out that was 657 00:29:33,729 --> 00:29:31,279 always fun to read the thing here I 658 00:29:36,669 --> 00:29:33,739 think that Jim kind of got a bad rap and 659 00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:36,679 it's his own fault okay you know we do 660 00:29:41,769 --> 00:29:39,440 things that sometimes aren't really good 661 00:29:44,139 --> 00:29:41,779 ideas but Jim's did something that 662 00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:44,149 really got him a bad rap and that is all 663 00:29:49,930 --> 00:29:47,809 the stuff all the crazy things he pulled 664 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:49,940 with gray Barker all his little 665 00:29:55,389 --> 00:29:53,690 shenanigans and as a result even though 666 00:29:57,999 --> 00:29:55,399 he had really serious interested in the 667 00:30:01,149 --> 00:29:58,009 subject and we talked for hours how 668 00:30:03,729 --> 00:30:01,159 money felt because of that that factor 669 00:30:05,409 --> 00:30:03,739 it made it really difficult for a lot of 670 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:05,419 people who take him seriously personal 671 00:30:10,269 --> 00:30:07,210 latter years of his life he had this 672 00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:10,279 publication called saucer smear where 673 00:30:14,169 --> 00:30:12,710 was call most like a gossip sheet except 674 00:30:17,349 --> 00:30:14,179 there was always something serious 675 00:30:19,659 --> 00:30:17,359 underlying and I think the face he put 676 00:30:21,879 --> 00:30:19,669 to the public at that stage of his life 677 00:30:24,879 --> 00:30:21,889 he didn't want to say you know at the 678 00:30:27,489 --> 00:30:24,889 heart of this this is just a cover for 679 00:30:30,249 --> 00:30:27,499 the fact that I'm still really really 680 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:30,259 deep into exploring the subject and 681 00:30:37,330 --> 00:30:32,210 seeing what's going on what do you think 682 00:30:40,090 --> 00:30:37,340 no he never pretended to be a researcher 683 00:30:43,180 --> 00:30:40,100 with the capital R or to be to be 684 00:30:45,180 --> 00:30:43,190 scientific in what he was doing he was a 685 00:30:49,330 --> 00:30:45,190 little bit of a gadfly you know and 686 00:30:52,659 --> 00:30:49,340 observing the scene from his point of 687 00:30:57,479 --> 00:30:52,669 view you had to take what you wrote with 688 00:31:01,470 --> 00:30:57,489 with a sense of humor and but it was 689 00:31:05,229 --> 00:31:01,480 very rough and he was very well informed 690 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:05,239 and there was that that gossip sometimes 691 00:31:10,659 --> 00:31:08,090 was you know was significant because he 692 00:31:12,669 --> 00:31:10,669 had his own views on independent view on 693 00:31:15,789 --> 00:31:12,679 things I didn't try to align himself 694 00:31:18,940 --> 00:31:15,799 with with a party line as so many of the 695 00:31:22,899 --> 00:31:18,950 you know Universal groups of the era 696 00:31:25,869 --> 00:31:22,909 were trying to try to do and so you know 697 00:31:28,859 --> 00:31:25,879 you had to take it with that perspective 698 00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:28,869 you mentioned Ray Palmer and you met him 699 00:31:36,340 --> 00:31:33,679 now ray is someone else so I think was 700 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:36,350 very influential in the early days of 701 00:31:40,659 --> 00:31:38,690 UFO research I guess very much in part 702 00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:40,669 of it because of the fact that he 703 00:31:44,919 --> 00:31:43,279 co-founded fate magazine and that was 704 00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:44,929 just really important because is one of 705 00:31:50,769 --> 00:31:47,840 the most popular sources of regular 706 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:50,779 information on the subject what was your 707 00:31:55,930 --> 00:31:53,210 take on him because there's an 708 00:31:57,970 --> 00:31:55,940 assessment there that he was also a bit 709 00:32:01,180 --> 00:31:57,980 of an operator and he would write things 710 00:32:04,629 --> 00:32:01,190 to get readers to talk about it less so 711 00:32:07,330 --> 00:32:04,639 then to express deep-seated viewpoints 712 00:32:10,060 --> 00:32:07,340 what do you think my interest in meeting 713 00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:10,070 him was that get the first any 714 00:32:15,789 --> 00:32:12,289 information about the Kenneth Arnold 715 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:15,799 case and how you know the very early 716 00:32:22,989 --> 00:32:18,970 days of the controversy in the US and 717 00:32:25,869 --> 00:32:22,999 you know I I came to the u.s. in 1962 718 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:25,879 and by then they had already a lot of 719 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:29,210 water under the bridge now I had my 720 00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:32,450 interest goes back to 1954 when there 721 00:32:38,909 --> 00:32:36,080 was a giant wave of observations over 722 00:32:45,009 --> 00:32:38,919 France and and then the rest of Western 723 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:45,019 Europeans but I had already seen the 724 00:32:50,430 --> 00:32:47,690 early days in in America you know from a 725 00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:50,440 distance with who the literature who 726 00:32:56,590 --> 00:32:54,529 magazines and newspapers so on and very 727 00:33:01,210 --> 00:32:56,600 little television I mean we didn't have 728 00:33:04,029 --> 00:33:01,220 TV and in my house at the time so most 729 00:33:08,769 --> 00:33:04,039 of it came from echoes of what was in 730 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:08,779 the American press and so the I didn't 731 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:10,970 have a chance to research Kenneth Arnold 732 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:14,210 sighting myself and I wanted to hear 733 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:17,210 from Ray Palmer what things were like at 734 00:33:23,259 --> 00:33:20,210 that time at that faith convention by 735 00:33:26,919 --> 00:33:23,269 the way in Chicago I also met Kenneth 736 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:26,929 Arnold himself and he was quite a 737 00:33:35,859 --> 00:33:32,450 gentleman he was much more much better 738 00:33:39,340 --> 00:33:35,869 informed and much more of a technically 739 00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,350 precise person than people have given 740 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:41,840 him credit for I mean yes he was a pilot 741 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:44,090 and pilots are trained and pilots are 742 00:33:49,149 --> 00:33:47,690 precise that he was also you know he 743 00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:49,159 spent quite a bit of his time looking 744 00:33:53,180 --> 00:33:51,529 for people when were lost in the 745 00:33:56,150 --> 00:33:53,190 mountains and so on in 746 00:34:00,320 --> 00:33:56,160 up in the state of Washington and so he 747 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:00,330 was a very dedicated person and you know 748 00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:02,370 I had a lot of admiration for him 749 00:34:08,330 --> 00:34:06,240 and that put a different color on his 750 00:34:11,420 --> 00:34:08,340 sighting that has been interpreted you 751 00:34:13,490 --> 00:34:11,430 know in many ways both by believers and 752 00:34:16,820 --> 00:34:13,500 by the price of course had turned it 753 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:16,830 into flying saucers when actually they 754 00:34:22,330 --> 00:34:19,050 were not the object he saw when that 755 00:34:25,370 --> 00:34:22,340 cloud they were more like wedge-shaped 756 00:34:28,070 --> 00:34:25,380 but they skipped in the atmosphere like 757 00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:28,080 saucers when he would skip on water and 758 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:30,000 that's where the expression flying 759 00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:31,890 saucers came from but they did were not 760 00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:35,700 shaped like saucers and he was you know 761 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:38,910 a very precise then he he was supposed 762 00:34:47,090 --> 00:34:43,850 to speak at the same time as me and he 763 00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:47,100 was conscious enough to cancel to 764 00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:51,480 reschedule his presentation in order to 765 00:34:57,950 --> 00:34:54,510 attend my presentation and and then we 766 00:35:03,320 --> 00:34:57,960 had a long talk after that Ray Palmer 767 00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:03,330 was you know by then was even though he 768 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:07,440 was crippled he was older this was 769 00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:09,450 removed 20 years later 20 years after 770 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:12,480 the Kenneth Arnold case but so he was 771 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:15,330 much more reflective than I had expected 772 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:19,050 he was you know it was sort of in danger 773 00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:23,730 of turning into philosophers like Ray 774 00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,040 Palmer were philosophize that he didn't 775 00:35:31,610 --> 00:35:28,160 want to be a philosopher don't you think 776 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:31,620 he didn't know I mean his you know his 777 00:35:41,590 --> 00:35:37,410 business was was science fiction and and 778 00:35:47,780 --> 00:35:41,600 you know good good writing short stories 779 00:35:49,790 --> 00:35:47,790 colorful news that's what this is always 780 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:49,800 the thing that we wonder about with 781 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:52,170 Palmer and that is his association with 782 00:35:58,910 --> 00:35:53,250 Richard shaver 783 00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:58,920 the last 5 10 years of his life do you 784 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:00,780 think Palmer was just climbing off 785 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:02,850 shaver hey this is a way I could sell 786 00:36:07,980 --> 00:36:05,050 magazines 787 00:36:12,060 --> 00:36:07,990 okay it's a great story I mean it's a 788 00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:12,070 story they will never die I mean you 789 00:36:17,190 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00:40:55,250 --> 00:40:52,440 enter promo code patriot or call eight 902 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:55,260 seven seven nine six five 21:40 that's 903 00:40:59,250 --> 00:40:57,450 eight seven seven nine six five two one 904 00:41:02,230 --> 00:40:59,260 four zero 905 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:02,240 hi this is nuclear physicist lecturer 906 00:41:08,829 --> 00:41:05,690 Stan Friedman you are listening to the 907 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:08,839 barricades to the gold standard a 908 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:18,050 paranormal radio as you say Ray Palmer 909 00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:20,930 was involved in the great pulp magazine 910 00:41:25,569 --> 00:41:23,599 tradition as editor of mazing stories 911 00:41:28,660 --> 00:41:25,579 and it was interesting when you bring up 912 00:41:31,089 --> 00:41:28,670 edgar rice burroughs some of the final 913 00:41:33,250 --> 00:41:31,099 short stories from Edgar Rice Burroughs 914 00:41:35,620 --> 00:41:33,260 we're in amazing stories because Palmer 915 00:41:37,569 --> 00:41:35,630 lured him back into writing which is 916 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:37,579 very interesting in fact he was starting 917 00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:39,290 a whole new series with John Carter of 918 00:41:45,609 --> 00:41:42,079 Mars where he goes to Jupiter but he 919 00:41:48,819 --> 00:41:45,619 never finished the story inferior 920 00:41:51,339 --> 00:41:48,829 literary jaw 921 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:51,349 I think that's unfair I mean if you 922 00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:54,650 think that the point of writing is first 923 00:42:00,490 --> 00:41:58,240 to entertain people and occasionally to 924 00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:00,500 bring things to their attention or 925 00:42:07,540 --> 00:42:04,180 educate them the the pouts were 926 00:42:11,470 --> 00:42:07,550 remarkable they were certainly a part of 927 00:42:13,569 --> 00:42:11,480 the American folklore and loved and 928 00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:13,579 admired around the world you know for 929 00:42:19,630 --> 00:42:16,160 you know there is nothing wrong with a 930 00:42:23,770 --> 00:42:19,640 good story and that's what every partner 931 00:42:27,849 --> 00:42:23,780 didn't set up himself as a as an arbiter 932 00:42:30,849 --> 00:42:27,859 of beauty or accuracy or science I mean 933 00:42:34,660 --> 00:42:30,859 that wasn't his job his job was just to 934 00:42:38,170 --> 00:42:34,670 publish interesting stories and he 935 00:42:42,099 --> 00:42:38,180 didn't judge them and that's okay he was 936 00:42:46,030 --> 00:42:42,109 a entertainer publisher raconteur well 937 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:46,040 you know it worked with Palmer with fate 938 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:49,250 magazine especially he kept the UFO 939 00:42:53,260 --> 00:42:51,770 mystery alive he had Kenneth Arnold 940 00:42:56,109 --> 00:42:53,270 write the story there they had the 941 00:42:58,990 --> 00:42:56,119 coming of the saucers book he really 942 00:43:01,000 --> 00:42:59,000 gave it a really huge push and some 943 00:43:03,819 --> 00:43:01,010 people even regard Palmer is an early 944 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:03,829 father of the UFO mystery do you think 945 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:05,210 that's maybe pushing it a little bit too 946 00:43:15,970 --> 00:43:11,250 far no no I think that a number of them 947 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:15,980 of cases the number of important ideas 948 00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:19,170 that we would not know about if it 949 00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:24,660 hadn't been in faith magazine and right 950 00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:27,420 and he gave Kenneth Arnold a platform 951 00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:31,140 and that pivotal event as we look at it 952 00:43:36,290 --> 00:43:34,440 now may not have been as pivotal if Ray 953 00:43:38,980 --> 00:43:36,300 Palmer hadn't been involved and actually 954 00:43:43,310 --> 00:43:38,990 hired Arnold to to do writing for him 955 00:43:45,470 --> 00:43:43,320 but you know he was yes I mean this was 956 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:45,480 those were he was publishing them as 957 00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:48,090 because they were good stories and he 958 00:43:54,740 --> 00:43:51,359 had the kind of genius of recognizing 959 00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:54,750 the value of a good story when other 960 00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,800 people didn't and because of the format 961 00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:01,200 he nobody could censor him I mean it's 962 00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,900 not he wasn't trying to be to impress 963 00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:06,000 scientists or to impress anybody each 964 00:44:13,099 --> 00:44:09,240 one just wanted to sell his magazine 965 00:44:17,290 --> 00:44:13,109 with good stories in it and that 966 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:17,300 remember his public was fairly 967 00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:19,890 sophisticated I mean those were the 968 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:23,640 people who would read science fiction 969 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:26,010 the early science fiction novels and 970 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:29,730 short stories you know the great 971 00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:34,650 American science fiction which I had you 972 00:44:40,070 --> 00:44:36,780 know the opportunity to when I was in 973 00:44:43,460 --> 00:44:40,080 France one of my early now I wrote a now 974 00:44:46,070 --> 00:44:43,470 a science fiction novel it was picked up 975 00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:46,080 it was published by a fresh big French 976 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:51,990 publisher and my my publisher a man 977 00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:54,450 named George Kelly had been an 978 00:44:59,240 --> 00:44:57,480 interpreter he was you know he spoke 979 00:45:02,089 --> 00:44:59,250 English very well had been in the US 980 00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:02,099 before the war and during World War two 981 00:45:09,410 --> 00:45:05,760 he was an interpreter with the American 982 00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:09,420 army and he noticed that all the GIS 983 00:45:14,990 --> 00:45:12,540 were carrying pulp magazines you know 984 00:45:18,140 --> 00:45:15,000 and they were you know leaning against a 985 00:45:19,820 --> 00:45:18,150 tank or a Jeep when you know when there 986 00:45:22,609 --> 00:45:19,830 was a lull in fighting and they would 987 00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:22,619 read that stuff and he was fascinated 988 00:45:27,410 --> 00:45:24,660 with it there was nothing like 989 00:45:30,380 --> 00:45:27,420 in Europe and I think people don't 990 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:30,390 realize you know in in the u.s. even now 991 00:45:38,420 --> 00:45:33,810 don't realize the impact that that kind 992 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:38,430 of simple story had overseas and of 993 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:42,090 course Khalid and became started a 994 00:45:47,810 --> 00:45:45,330 collection in France translating the 995 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:47,820 great great American science fiction of 996 00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:52,290 the 40s and 50s and 60s and also 997 00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:55,260 publishing French science fiction right 998 00:46:02,330 --> 00:46:00,180 like my early novel and that that was my 999 00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:02,340 introduction to to those magazines 1000 00:46:08,780 --> 00:46:05,510 before I came to fry came to the US and 1001 00:46:11,060 --> 00:46:08,790 this was this was good stuff and the 1002 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:11,070 people who write fate certainly in those 1003 00:46:16,340 --> 00:46:14,730 years were fairly sophisticated in terms 1004 00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:16,350 of you know being able to tell a good 1005 00:46:21,950 --> 00:46:19,440 story in and seeing what was true and 1006 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:21,960 what wasn't true like say the shaver 1007 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:27,650 mystery you know this was fun and it was 1008 00:46:33,860 --> 00:46:32,250 it was brilliant and and I think it's 1009 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:33,870 important for our younger listeners out 1010 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:37,410 there to to take note that when you look 1011 00:46:42,860 --> 00:46:40,290 at a subject like like the unidentified 1012 00:46:45,140 --> 00:46:42,870 flying object mystery in and others 1013 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:45,150 so-called paranormal subjects I think 1014 00:46:49,550 --> 00:46:47,490 it's important to go back to the 1015 00:46:52,460 --> 00:46:49,560 beginning of how these memes were 1016 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:52,470 created who propagated them how they 1017 00:46:57,890 --> 00:46:55,170 spread to the culture how they've how 1018 00:47:00,380 --> 00:46:57,900 they've kind of grown to have a life of 1019 00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:00,390 their own how they spun off other memes 1020 00:47:06,020 --> 00:47:03,660 into the culture and and oftentimes some 1021 00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:06,030 of the best clues that we have to look 1022 00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:08,460 at a particular subject are contained at 1023 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:09,990 the very beginning when that when that 1024 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:13,530 particular subject or mean begins to 1025 00:47:18,260 --> 00:47:15,330 spread and I think it's very important 1026 00:47:20,780 --> 00:47:18,270 to look at things like Ray Palmer and 1027 00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:20,790 Amazing Stories fate magazine and how 1028 00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:24,000 they they subtly have had tremendous 1029 00:47:30,140 --> 00:47:27,720 influence sort of a kind of a quantum 1030 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:30,150 physical you know that's the butterfly 1031 00:47:36,170 --> 00:47:33,210 you know flapping its wings creating a 1032 00:47:37,989 --> 00:47:36,180 train wreck in Paris you know we've had 1033 00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:37,999 we've had anime 1034 00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:41,569 in these some of these memes have grown 1035 00:47:47,289 --> 00:47:45,049 into incredible fantastical scenarios 1036 00:47:49,959 --> 00:47:47,299 that today people are taking is being 1037 00:47:51,999 --> 00:47:49,969 true you know you could I could really 1038 00:47:54,879 --> 00:47:52,009 start in on the quarry goods in the 1039 00:47:57,189 --> 00:47:54,889 Anubis agios and the lower eisenhower's 1040 00:48:01,389 --> 00:47:57,199 and and some of these fantastic stories 1041 00:48:03,429 --> 00:48:01,399 that that to me obviously or and we had 1042 00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:03,439 at the best delusional at the worst 1043 00:48:07,629 --> 00:48:06,079 disinformation and but millions of 1044 00:48:10,059 --> 00:48:07,639 people are buying into this stuff and 1045 00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:10,069 you know to have have doctor valet on 1046 00:48:14,829 --> 00:48:12,169 the program and and you know to be 1047 00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:14,839 talking about how these memes originally 1048 00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:17,209 got their foothold in the culture this 1049 00:48:20,859 --> 00:48:18,649 is important stuff and I think the 1050 00:48:23,019 --> 00:48:20,869 younger generation who's up and coming 1051 00:48:25,869 --> 00:48:23,029 into this field needs to go back and 1052 00:48:27,939 --> 00:48:25,879 become you know you have you have a 1053 00:48:30,819 --> 00:48:27,949 working knowledge of how these things 1054 00:48:32,409 --> 00:48:30,829 have unfolded over the last 70 years 1055 00:48:36,059 --> 00:48:32,419 this is really really important stuff so 1056 00:48:40,179 --> 00:48:36,069 take notes everybody I'm off my soapbox 1057 00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,189 well some of those short stories were 1058 00:48:46,419 --> 00:48:42,559 later picked up by Hollywood and turned 1059 00:48:49,749 --> 00:48:46,429 into major movies so and they certainly 1060 00:48:54,119 --> 00:48:49,759 set up some of the landscape that is 1061 00:48:57,579 --> 00:48:54,129 amenable to being turned into movies and 1062 00:49:01,029 --> 00:48:57,589 food and a certain freedom of the 1063 00:49:04,269 --> 00:49:01,039 imagination which no maybe we've lost a 1064 00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,279 little bit and you know I hate all the 1065 00:49:10,029 --> 00:49:06,559 greed edgar rice burroughs anymore you 1066 00:49:12,969 --> 00:49:10,039 know but i've moved on but at one time 1067 00:49:15,789 --> 00:49:12,979 in my life i really enjoyed that 1068 00:49:18,609 --> 00:49:15,799 that whole series about you know the 1069 00:49:24,609 --> 00:49:18,619 amount of series and the moon series so 1070 00:49:27,489 --> 00:49:24,619 on and those were new they were fiction 1071 00:49:30,959 --> 00:49:27,499 today people are taking similar stories 1072 00:49:36,579 --> 00:49:30,969 and claims to be real and to be 1073 00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:36,589 scientifically no matter how ridiculous 1074 00:49:41,169 --> 00:49:39,529 some of these claims might be there's 1075 00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:41,179 millions of people that are buying into 1076 00:49:45,759 --> 00:49:43,129 it and accepting it as reality 1077 00:49:47,409 --> 00:49:45,769 so we've taken we've taken the you know 1078 00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:47,419 the wonderful innocence of the early 1079 00:49:53,410 --> 00:49:50,480 early part of the era of the 1080 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:53,420 you're flying saucers and etc and now 1081 00:49:58,330 --> 00:49:56,210 the fantasy portion of it has now kind 1082 00:50:00,609 --> 00:49:58,340 of blurred the lines and now is being 1083 00:50:03,310 --> 00:50:00,619 accepted as real I see that as a major 1084 00:50:06,940 --> 00:50:03,320 problem how about you I mean people are 1085 00:50:10,060 --> 00:50:06,950 not differentiating between what is 1086 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:10,070 plausible and possibly real so what is 1087 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:12,530 absolutely implausible and it just 1088 00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:14,810 doesn't have really much chance of being 1089 00:50:20,530 --> 00:50:17,630 real what do you think I think about 1090 00:50:23,770 --> 00:50:20,540 that pretty often because the Internet 1091 00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:23,780 of consent has a major effect on this 1092 00:50:30,970 --> 00:50:28,609 when stories appear on the internet they 1093 00:50:34,270 --> 00:50:30,980 they can be marketed in such a way that 1094 00:50:38,140 --> 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--> 00:54:12,770 here's Jane Steinberg exploring a lot of 1164 00:54:16,570 --> 00:54:14,900 things here and when some of our 1165 00:54:18,270 --> 00:54:16,580 listeners start saying the power camp 1166 00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,280 shouldn't be doing pop culture well 1167 00:54:23,380 --> 00:54:20,960 think of the important impact that pop 1168 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:23,390 culture has in our society so Jacques 1169 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:26,570 Vallee you were talking there about the 1170 00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:30,050 government not disinformation so much as 1171 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:32,710 what taking advantage of the situation 1172 00:54:40,270 --> 00:54:37,370 taking advantage of belief systems to 1173 00:54:42,730 --> 00:54:40,280 promote either to hide something or to 1174 00:54:46,540 --> 00:54:42,740 promote something look at the books that 1175 00:54:51,220 --> 00:54:46,550 have come come out recently about in 1176 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:51,230 parapsychology you know about psychical 1177 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:54,170 research the books about area 51 which 1178 00:55:03,900 --> 00:54:56,810 keeps coming out the books about Project 1179 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:03,910 Blue Book that sort of skirting the 1180 00:55:11,530 --> 00:55:09,650 truth in funny ways and you know that 1181 00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:11,540 we're talking about forbidden science 1182 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:16,160 about my record of you know the 80s the 1183 00:55:22,330 --> 00:55:19,010 1980s and what happened there the 1980s 1184 00:55:25,420 --> 00:55:22,340 were a major turning point in the 1185 00:55:27,610 --> 00:55:25,430 history of scientific research on what 1186 00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:27,620 people call generally the paranormal and 1187 00:55:33,310 --> 00:55:29,750 especially you know things like remote 1188 00:55:35,470 --> 00:55:33,320 viewing and parapsychology and that was 1189 00:55:38,530 --> 00:55:35,480 the turning point because there had been 1190 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:38,540 research funded by the government at 1191 00:55:44,380 --> 00:55:41,330 places like SR I where I worked for a 1192 00:55:47,530 --> 00:55:44,390 while you know officially sponsored and 1193 00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:47,540 paid for by by the government and this 1194 00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:52,250 was really good research and the truth 1195 00:55:59,020 --> 00:55:55,730 about it has become somewhat blurred by 1196 00:56:02,410 --> 00:55:59,030 in all the different interpretations and 1197 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:02,420 so on so and the same the same is true 1198 00:56:08,410 --> 00:56:04,810 by the way about the internet with no 1199 00:56:11,620 --> 00:56:08,420 evil intention from anybody but 1200 00:56:14,670 --> 00:56:11,630 people are constantly forgetting where 1201 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:14,680 the internet came from one time a 1202 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:18,170 historian came to see me Nichols he 1203 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:21,170 wanted to interview me about the history 1204 00:56:26,380 --> 00:56:23,690 of the Internet and I said well you know 1205 00:56:28,620 --> 00:56:26,390 that why don't you go to the people at 1206 00:56:31,690 --> 00:56:28,630 DARPA you know in Washington yeah really 1207 00:56:34,380 --> 00:56:31,700 well I've been there but it's not the 1208 00:56:37,060 --> 00:56:34,390 same people and they give me the 1209 00:56:40,060 --> 00:56:37,070 recollection of it but what's different 1210 00:56:41,970 --> 00:56:40,070 about you is that you wrote about it at 1211 00:56:45,780 --> 00:56:41,980 the time and that's the whole difference 1212 00:56:49,420 --> 00:56:45,790 from looking back 20 years later and 1213 00:56:52,330 --> 00:56:49,430 writing story about area 51 or story 1214 00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:52,340 about a nun Hynek story about Blue Book 1215 00:56:59,440 --> 00:56:56,330 of Socorro you know on some of those 1216 00:57:02,140 --> 00:56:59,450 things and it's different when you write 1217 00:57:04,300 --> 00:57:02,150 it day by day and of course when you 1218 00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:04,310 write day by day and one of the 1219 00:57:08,380 --> 00:57:06,530 criticisms of my Diaries that of course 1220 00:57:09,970 --> 00:57:08,390 there are things that are wrong there 1221 00:57:11,950 --> 00:57:09,980 are things that are wrong because I see 1222 00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:11,960 it on Friday I learn about it from a 1223 00:57:17,890 --> 00:57:15,280 friend oh I I mean a conversation and I 1224 00:57:20,740 --> 00:57:17,900 discovered something and then by Monday 1225 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:20,750 or Tuesday I've learned something else 1226 00:57:26,140 --> 00:57:23,690 so you can see errors being made and 1227 00:57:30,670 --> 00:57:26,150 being corrected and how the truth 1228 00:57:35,050 --> 00:57:30,680 emerges after days or months or years 1229 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:35,060 sometimes it's a process that's you know 1230 00:57:39,070 --> 00:57:37,010 that's the truth I mean that's the real 1231 00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:39,080 thing and this is not something you can 1232 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:43,760 edit so much to my chagrin I cannot go 1233 00:57:48,490 --> 00:57:46,850 back and rewrite you know gee I was dumb 1234 00:57:51,010 --> 00:57:48,500 you know and I believed what this guy 1235 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:51,020 was saying but then the following day I 1236 00:57:55,860 --> 00:57:53,690 checked up on it and I I found out that 1237 00:57:59,350 --> 00:57:55,870 it was different the same thing with 1238 00:58:02,340 --> 00:57:59,360 investigating cases I still spend quite 1239 00:58:04,570 --> 00:58:02,350 a bit of my time quietly you know 1240 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:04,580 investigating cases that interest me 1241 00:58:10,450 --> 00:58:08,210 those are not necessarily the cases in 1242 00:58:13,690 --> 00:58:10,460 fact the most though most of the time 1243 00:58:15,790 --> 00:58:13,700 it's not the cases around TV er or in 1244 00:58:18,070 --> 00:58:15,800 the UFO magazines 1245 00:58:20,790 --> 00:58:18,080 except for the sermon ranch and the 1246 00:58:22,089 --> 00:58:20,800 Sherman Ranch should be an exception 1247 00:58:24,430 --> 00:58:22,099 well 1248 00:58:27,609 --> 00:58:24,440 was an exception because I was part of 1249 00:58:28,359 --> 00:58:27,619 the of the Science Bowl for mr. bigger 1250 00:58:31,779 --> 00:58:28,369 news 1251 00:58:35,499 --> 00:58:31,789 I followed that story for many years yes 1252 00:58:38,049 --> 00:58:35,509 as have I having been the first one that 1253 00:58:40,989 --> 00:58:38,059 went up there really and who had any 1254 00:58:44,259 --> 00:58:40,999 sort of experience investigating claims 1255 00:58:46,539 --> 00:58:44,269 of this sort I was up there before in 1256 00:58:48,219 --> 00:58:46,549 fact I I gave him big Lowe's phone 1257 00:58:50,859 --> 00:58:48,229 number I also gave him Lawrence 1258 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:50,869 Rockefellers phone number of course the 1259 00:58:56,499 --> 00:58:53,930 Robert called him and we had him 1260 00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,509 contacted as soon as a the Zak van Acker 1261 00:59:03,160 --> 00:58:58,880 article came out which first publicly 1262 00:59:05,499 --> 00:59:03,170 exposed the the claims of Terry Sherman 1263 00:59:07,749 --> 00:59:05,509 and and this so-called skinwalker ranch 1264 00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:07,759 case for those of you out there that 1265 00:59:12,700 --> 00:59:10,609 don't know who terry Sherman was we're 1266 00:59:15,489 --> 00:59:12,710 talking about the Sherman ranch case or 1267 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:15,499 the skinwalker ranch case you know it's 1268 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:18,170 interesting that you have continued on 1269 00:59:23,049 --> 00:59:20,930 because you know I feel I feel sort of 1270 00:59:24,279 --> 00:59:23,059 you know I I feel like I've been 1271 00:59:26,739 --> 00:59:24,289 following your model I've been 1272 00:59:28,690 --> 00:59:26,749 continuing on investigating as well but 1273 00:59:30,430 --> 00:59:28,700 not publicizing you know though the 1274 00:59:32,890 --> 00:59:30,440 places where I go and the people that I 1275 00:59:35,289 --> 00:59:32,900 talk to you know at some point you 1276 00:59:38,289 --> 00:59:35,299 really have to draw the line about when 1277 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:38,299 it's expedient to keep your you know 1278 00:59:43,479 --> 00:59:41,210 keep everything on the low-low key so 1279 00:59:45,999 --> 00:59:43,489 that you can get more done without you 1280 00:59:48,999 --> 00:59:46,009 know without obstacles publicity and 1281 00:59:51,819 --> 00:59:49,009 attention tend to throw up obstacles and 1282 00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:51,829 and it tends to water down your your 1283 00:59:56,799 --> 00:59:54,799 efforts you you don't have as pure a an 1284 00:59:58,239 --> 00:59:56,809 investigative an environment if you have 1285 01:00:00,579 --> 00:59:58,249 people looking over your shoulders so I 1286 01:00:03,370 --> 01:00:00,589 can really appreciate that and I can't 1287 01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:03,380 wait to dive into the last volume of 1288 01:00:07,420 --> 01:00:05,569 forbidden science because I I really am 1289 01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:07,430 not familiar with some of the stuff that 1290 01:00:12,430 --> 01:00:10,160 you've done recently are you planning on 1291 01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:12,440 including this information into an 1292 01:00:16,089 --> 01:00:14,329 additional volume I know that you've 1293 01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:16,099 been you know that you've kind of 1294 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:18,650 delineate it out time periods but has 1295 01:00:23,950 --> 01:00:21,650 any of this let's say in the last ten 1296 01:00:24,910 --> 01:00:23,960 years the cases that you've been 1297 01:00:27,309 --> 01:00:24,920 involved with 1298 01:00:29,380 --> 01:00:27,319 have they been publicized in any way and 1299 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:29,390 and if not do you plan on publicizing 1300 01:00:35,460 --> 01:00:32,210 some of them when they are relevant yes 1301 01:00:37,859 --> 01:00:35,470 I published them or I 1302 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:37,869 you know I I hope one of the things I'm 1303 01:00:43,260 --> 01:00:41,290 in a position to do today is to to help 1304 01:00:45,980 --> 01:00:43,270 new people who come into the field 1305 01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:45,990 they're now doing good research first in 1306 01:00:53,849 --> 01:00:50,130 giving them you know the benefit of a 1307 01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:53,859 historical perspective not I'm not the 1308 01:00:59,280 --> 01:00:56,530 only one I mean I'm not but I can point 1309 01:01:01,440 --> 01:00:59,290 them to other people who like me have 1310 01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:01,450 followed the field for a long time so 1311 01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:04,720 that they don't fall into the the 1312 01:01:09,630 --> 01:01:07,510 pitfall of believing the current story 1313 01:01:11,609 --> 01:01:09,640 that's on in internet and so on they 1314 01:01:15,420 --> 01:01:11,619 they can tell you know they can have 1315 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:15,430 first-hand accounts of what really 1316 01:01:20,790 --> 01:01:17,770 happened and then they can go on from 1317 01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:20,800 there so sometimes I can open some doors 1318 01:01:27,210 --> 01:01:23,680 for them because I know where the bodies 1319 01:01:29,970 --> 01:01:27,220 are buried and you know I stay in the 1320 01:01:32,430 --> 01:01:29,980 background but I can I can help them 1321 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:32,440 they're there is by the way an example 1322 01:01:37,770 --> 01:01:34,810 of that in a book that I highly 1323 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:37,780 recommend that was just published by 1324 01:01:45,329 --> 01:01:40,330 anomalies it's a book by David Brewer 1325 01:01:50,460 --> 01:01:45,339 called no return and David is a an 1326 01:01:54,210 --> 01:01:50,470 excellent researcher spent three or four 1327 01:01:58,410 --> 01:01:54,220 years researching the book we just had 1328 01:02:01,410 --> 01:01:58,420 one so a couple of weeks ago well this 1329 01:02:04,859 --> 01:02:01,420 is a case that had always fascinated me 1330 01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:04,869 that I was hoping to be able to return 1331 01:02:07,950 --> 01:02:05,680 to it someday 1332 01:02:11,790 --> 01:02:07,960 and then David contacted me because he 1333 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:11,800 was doing that and I was able to you 1334 01:02:18,030 --> 01:02:14,170 know help him in a couple of things 1335 01:02:20,450 --> 01:02:18,040 that's the other you know privilege I 1336 01:02:23,460 --> 01:02:20,460 have is that I have wonderful readers 1337 01:02:26,180 --> 01:02:23,470 who write to me they don't want any 1338 01:02:29,550 --> 01:02:26,190 publicity but they will tell me about 1339 01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:29,560 things that happened in their house or 1340 01:02:36,900 --> 01:02:33,310 in their on their property and give me 1341 01:02:39,780 --> 01:02:36,910 access to that access to the witnesses 1342 01:02:44,700 --> 01:02:39,790 and access to the property and so that 1343 01:02:46,859 --> 01:02:44,710 is of course I will follow if they don't 1344 01:02:49,470 --> 01:02:46,869 want any publicity there won't be any 1345 01:02:52,290 --> 01:02:49,480 publicity well I also 1346 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:52,300 good contacts in Silicon Valley and you 1347 01:02:56,970 --> 01:02:54,250 would be surprised at the level of 1348 01:03:00,660 --> 01:02:56,980 interest that exists in Silicon Valley 1349 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:00,670 among the you know the newer companies 1350 01:03:08,579 --> 01:03:05,290 in this field and again Silicon Valley 1351 01:03:13,230 --> 01:03:08,589 can keep its secrets very very well but 1352 01:03:16,829 --> 01:03:13,240 these are sophisticated people and with 1353 01:03:19,770 --> 01:03:16,839 high technology and that is really a 1354 01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:19,780 privilege because I can do some analysis 1355 01:03:27,540 --> 01:03:23,650 I can do some computation I can I can do 1356 01:03:30,540 --> 01:03:27,550 some things you know with fairly casual 1357 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:30,550 access to the best tools so the things 1358 01:03:34,770 --> 01:03:32,250 that I'm that I'm doing now 1359 01:03:36,690 --> 01:03:34,780 we're gonna break now we got more to 1360 01:03:39,359 --> 01:03:36,700 come with Jacques filet and Jean and 1361 01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:39,369 Chris with a fascinating session you're 1362 01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:49,339 attack of the rock ODEs has been 1363 01:03:53,030 --> 01:03:51,089 well-received by critics and readers 1364 01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:53,040 alike it's a thrill a minute story 1365 01:03:58,190 --> 01:03:55,890 you'll never forget a former US military 1366 01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:58,200 intelligence officer is haunted by 1367 01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:00,480 intense dreams about a beautiful woman 1368 01:04:05,870 --> 01:04:03,119 pleading for his help after a terrible 1369 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:05,880 battle in outer space but the dreams 1370 01:04:09,980 --> 01:04:08,010 turn out to be true and thrust him into 1371 01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:09,990 a telepathic love affair with a woman 1372 01:04:15,020 --> 01:04:12,690 whose faraway planet is intent on 1373 01:04:17,870 --> 01:04:15,030 destroying the earth and now the 1374 01:04:20,300 --> 01:04:17,880 gripping tale continues in the coming of 1375 01:04:22,940 --> 01:04:20,310 the protectors it's the second book of 1376 01:04:25,130 --> 01:04:22,950 the Rockets trilogy a galaxy spanning 1377 01:04:28,190 --> 01:04:25,140 adventure that pits our hapless heroes 1378 01:04:30,109 --> 01:04:28,200 against powerful fanatical enemies that 1379 01:04:32,930 --> 01:04:30,119 threaten the lives of freedom loving 1380 01:04:36,410 --> 01:04:32,940 beings everywhere attack of the rockets 1381 01:04:39,140 --> 01:04:36,420 and the coming of the protectors classic 1382 01:04:42,890 --> 01:04:39,150 science fiction at its best available 1383 01:04:47,359 --> 01:04:42,900 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01:05:17,569 --> 01:05:15,150 you implement a simple plan to take care 1398 01:05:19,579 --> 01:05:17,579 of your needs in the event of the 1399 01:05:21,319 --> 01:05:19,589 inevitable by calling them right now I 1400 01:05:24,589 --> 01:05:21,329 have authorized them to give you a 1401 01:05:27,140 --> 01:05:24,599 special 20% discount at checkout by 1402 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:27,150 simply using GCN call eight eight eight 1403 01:05:31,460 --> 01:05:29,010 five four three seventy three forty five 1404 01:05:33,740 --> 01:05:31,470 or visit them at legacy food storage 1405 01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:33,750 calm that's eight eight eight five four 1406 01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:35,609 three seventy three forty five or 1407 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:38,490 visiting them at legacy food storage com 1408 01:05:43,579 --> 01:05:41,010 make sure you use GC and a check out for 1409 01:05:48,430 --> 01:05:43,589 an incredible 20% discount don't be a 1410 01:05:53,540 --> 01:05:50,990 want to save money in a place that gives 1411 01:05:56,180 --> 01:05:53,550 you growth control and certainty without 1412 01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:56,190 stock market risk or tax risk and you 1413 01:05:58,520 --> 01:05:57,599 want guarantees and you want it all 1414 01:05:59,410 --> 01:05:58,530 tax-free 1415 01:06:01,299 --> 01:05:59,420 that's a 1416 01:06:03,609 --> 01:06:01,309 order but you can get all of that with 1417 01:06:04,539 --> 01:06:03,619 properly designed participating whole 1418 01:06:08,620 --> 01:06:04,549 life insurance 1419 01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:08,630 after you're dead that's true but you 1420 01:06:12,970 --> 01:06:10,730 can have tax-free access to use your 1421 01:06:15,700 --> 01:06:12,980 life insurance while you're alive get 1422 01:06:18,460 --> 01:06:15,710 the free book to find out how call seven 1423 01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:18,470 zero two six six zero seven thousand 1424 01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:21,200 investing is a long-term process how 1425 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:22,880 many times can you think of in the last 1426 01:06:26,319 --> 01:06:24,410 decade that the stock market has 1427 01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:26,329 destroyed retirement funds for people 1428 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:28,490 just like you and me for your existing 1429 01:06:32,049 --> 01:06:30,770 IRA you need the security that gold has 1430 01:06:34,359 --> 01:06:32,059 provided for centuries 1431 01:06:36,490 --> 01:06:34,369 remember gold has never been worth zero 1432 01:06:38,890 --> 01:06:36,500 capital gold would like to introduce you 1433 01:06:41,230 --> 01:06:38,900 to the home storage gold IRA 1434 01:06:43,059 --> 01:06:41,240 it's a self-directed IRA setup with all 1435 01:06:45,940 --> 01:06:43,069 the protection and tax benefits of an 1436 01:06:47,980 --> 01:06:45,950 LLC but the big difference in this IRA 1437 01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:47,990 is you invest in gold and you hold it in 1438 01:06:52,359 --> 01:06:49,760 your possession you can't do that with 1439 01:06:55,089 --> 01:06:52,369 stocks that's security you can transfer 1440 01:06:57,069 --> 01:06:55,099 any type of IRA hassle-free in days 1441 01:06:59,920 --> 01:06:57,079 please call right now I learn more and 1442 01:07:02,230 --> 01:06:59,930 will waive the $500 setup fee and give 1443 01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:02,240 you a free safe to store your gold eight 1444 01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:04,609 hundred five three five seven seven 1445 01:07:10,569 --> 01:07:07,609 eight nine eight hundred five three five 1446 01:07:12,970 --> 01:07:10,579 seven seven eight nine eight hundred 1447 01:07:15,250 --> 01:07:12,980 five three five seven seven eight nine 1448 01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:15,260 that's eight hundred five thirty five 1449 01:07:20,620 --> 01:07:19,280 seventy seven eighty nine this is Dan 1450 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:20,630 pillow do you owe the IRS money you 1451 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:22,730 can't pay our tax debts crippling you 1452 01:07:26,770 --> 01:07:24,650 I've defended people from the IRS for 1453 01:07:28,750 --> 01:07:26,780 over thirty years I've helped thousands 1454 01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:28,760 and I can help you too I wrote the book 1455 01:07:32,140 --> 01:07:30,290 on IRS settlement and I'm telling you 1456 01:07:35,740 --> 01:07:32,150 there's no such thing as a hopeless case 1457 01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:35,750 call 834 no tax to finally get free of 1458 01:07:39,220 --> 01:07:37,849 IRS debt with the IRS as new programs 1459 01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:39,230 there's never been a better time to 1460 01:07:44,410 --> 01:07:42,079 solve your problem call 834 no tax 1461 01:07:53,069 --> 01:07:44,420 that's eight hundred three four no tax 1462 01:07:58,780 --> 01:07:56,530 hi this is Joshua p1 author of the poor 1463 01:08:01,470 --> 01:07:58,790 man's paranormal and you're listening to 1464 01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:01,480 the podcast the gold standard of 1465 01:08:17,140 --> 01:08:14,089 paranormal radio we're back we're here 1466 01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:17,150 with dr. jacques filet and Jacques you 1467 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:20,319 were talking about being contacted by 1468 01:08:27,939 --> 01:08:24,650 folks with interesting cases and how 1469 01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:27,949 you've provided kind of a platform for 1470 01:08:33,820 --> 01:08:31,370 their their cases their views to you 1471 01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:33,830 know look into them to to guide them to 1472 01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:35,839 give them you know the benefit of your 1473 01:08:39,309 --> 01:08:37,730 your long involvement in the field and 1474 01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:39,319 you know I must say I'm you know I've 1475 01:08:42,970 --> 01:08:41,359 always wanted to you know get into more 1476 01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:42,980 of a dialogue with you and talk to you I 1477 01:08:48,490 --> 01:08:44,960 remember for years I sent me my 1478 01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:48,500 mysterious Valley report which you may 1479 01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:50,239 or may not remember I remember you are 1480 01:08:55,059 --> 01:08:52,489 on my mailing list them and I sent them 1481 01:08:57,370 --> 01:08:55,069 out for many years and I actually sent 1482 01:08:59,650 --> 01:08:57,380 that out free to anyone any investigator 1483 01:09:01,479 --> 01:08:59,660 they contacted me and wanted to know 1484 01:09:03,340 --> 01:09:01,489 what was going on there and and of 1485 01:09:06,249 --> 01:09:03,350 course I I just felt that it was is more 1486 01:09:07,809 --> 01:09:06,259 of a service to the to the research 1487 01:09:09,970 --> 01:09:07,819 community but you know I've been 1488 01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:09,980 involved in a project of attempting to 1489 01:09:14,410 --> 01:09:12,410 get a triangulated array of 1490 01:09:16,539 --> 01:09:14,420 high-definition cameras in the San Luis 1491 01:09:18,579 --> 01:09:16,549 Valley it's been a almost a ten year 1492 01:09:21,130 --> 01:09:18,589 process it's it's been very difficult to 1493 01:09:23,620 --> 01:09:21,140 get people to work for nothing and to 1494 01:09:25,380 --> 01:09:23,630 you know speck their time and and stuff 1495 01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:25,390 but you know what you just said about 1496 01:09:30,970 --> 01:09:27,890 Silicon Valley being interested in and 1497 01:09:32,170 --> 01:09:30,980 of course when you say Silicon Valley 1498 01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:32,180 obviously we're talking about 1499 01:09:36,430 --> 01:09:34,370 cutting-edge technology be very very 1500 01:09:38,559 --> 01:09:36,440 interesting to see if anyone there would 1501 01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:38,569 be interested in getting involved in 1502 01:09:43,900 --> 01:09:41,120 monitoring a bona fide hotspot area I 1503 01:09:47,050 --> 01:09:43,910 think your efforts that you spelled out 1504 01:09:48,999 --> 01:09:47,060 back in 78 and 79 I think you you 1505 01:09:51,999 --> 01:09:49,009 attempted to do this same thing up at 1506 01:09:54,700 --> 01:09:52,009 the Happy Valley California site but at 1507 01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:54,710 the time I mean we just didn't have the 1508 01:09:58,900 --> 01:09:57,170 sophisticated levels of technology and 1509 01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:58,910 of course the cost was just prohibited 1510 01:10:03,670 --> 01:10:02,000 back then what do you think about a hard 1511 01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:03,680 data monitoring of 1512 01:10:10,420 --> 01:10:07,370 hotspot areas for instance the UFO tog 1513 01:10:12,820 --> 01:10:10,430 program I think Douglas Trumbull and 1514 01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:12,830 Mark Dantonio have been involved with 1515 01:10:18,580 --> 01:10:15,370 and in my San Luis Valley camera project 1516 01:10:21,310 --> 01:10:18,590 has Delon of course being the the litmus 1517 01:10:23,380 --> 01:10:21,320 test for all this what do you think of 1518 01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:23,390 that approach of really attempting to 1519 01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:26,450 get hard data you know and monitor with 1520 01:10:31,300 --> 01:10:28,450 magnetometers graviton meters maybe a 1521 01:10:34,330 --> 01:10:31,310 active radar that sort of thing of 1522 01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:34,340 course the optical information what do 1523 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:35,450 you think of that approach you think 1524 01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:37,130 that we're at a place where that with a 1525 01:10:41,230 --> 01:10:38,480 level of technology and the 1526 01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:41,240 affordability will allow us to gain some 1527 01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:43,760 scientific insights as you just said 1528 01:10:49,210 --> 01:10:46,880 it's difficult to do just designing and 1529 01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:49,220 implementing an optical camera and then 1530 01:10:55,450 --> 01:10:53,840 getting it to that place up in Northern 1531 01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:55,460 California and all the way up in the 1532 01:10:59,920 --> 01:10:57,650 mountains it was a fascinating project 1533 01:11:02,920 --> 01:10:59,930 and you know I was doing that with my 1534 01:11:05,890 --> 01:11:02,930 son and it was an opportunity for us to 1535 01:11:08,050 --> 01:11:05,900 drive up there into the countryside and 1536 01:11:10,180 --> 01:11:08,060 work on this and work with the local 1537 01:11:13,570 --> 01:11:10,190 witnesses I've had that particular site 1538 01:11:16,690 --> 01:11:13,580 which was a site of repeated landings 1539 01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:16,700 but we had to of course camouflage the 1540 01:11:22,150 --> 01:11:19,130 camera because otherwise somebody could 1541 01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:22,160 sit there on picnic and notice the 1542 01:11:27,550 --> 01:11:24,080 camera and take it away or something 1543 01:11:29,170 --> 01:11:27,560 also you have to protect it from insect 1544 01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:29,180 because you know you don't want the 1545 01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:31,930 spider to put a web in front of the lens 1546 01:11:37,810 --> 01:11:35,360 we could only get there you know once a 1547 01:11:39,220 --> 01:11:37,820 month or so so it had to be able to take 1548 01:11:42,340 --> 01:11:39,230 pictures for a month on a regular 1549 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:42,350 schedule you know all that was it wasn't 1550 01:11:47,620 --> 01:11:45,650 high-tech but it was a little bit 1551 01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:47,630 complicated in terms of logistics 1552 01:11:54,850 --> 01:11:51,890 because it was a six hour drive from San 1553 01:12:00,130 --> 01:11:54,860 Francisco and six hours to get back so 1554 01:12:02,410 --> 01:12:00,140 you know it's difficult as I think that 1555 01:12:04,740 --> 01:12:02,420 you know what you've been doing is very 1556 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:04,750 important because we need to monitor 1557 01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:08,570 several sites if only for comparison 1558 01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:11,510 with the skinwalker ranch in terms of 1559 01:12:15,220 --> 01:12:13,370 you know what can you learn from the 1560 01:12:17,289 --> 01:12:15,230 site like this I was and are you going 1561 01:12:20,559 --> 01:12:17,299 to get information 1562 01:12:23,469 --> 01:12:20,569 do you recall information is it the same 1563 01:12:27,039 --> 01:12:23,479 phenomenon everywhere or does the 1564 01:12:29,319 --> 01:12:27,049 average graphic area may have a slightly 1565 01:12:33,519 --> 01:12:29,329 different phenomenon it's difficult to 1566 01:12:36,009 --> 01:12:33,529 do even to monitor one room I mean I 1567 01:12:38,949 --> 01:12:36,019 know of a case where things are 1568 01:12:41,469 --> 01:12:38,959 appearing in somebody's bedroom a number 1569 01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:41,479 of technical people have been involved 1570 01:12:47,889 --> 01:12:44,169 in monitoring of course it has to be 1571 01:12:50,349 --> 01:12:47,899 unobtrusive you don't want to overload 1572 01:12:53,259 --> 01:12:50,359 the room with computers and big cameras 1573 01:12:56,079 --> 01:12:53,269 you have to do it in normal light or 1574 01:12:59,079 --> 01:12:56,089 normal darkness if it's happening at 1575 01:13:00,969 --> 01:12:59,089 night so even in one room it's difficult 1576 01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:00,979 and when you're trying to monitor an 1577 01:13:07,869 --> 01:13:04,489 entire Valley or an entire ranch it's 1578 01:13:10,269 --> 01:13:07,879 it's hard to do one of the things I can 1579 01:13:12,669 --> 01:13:10,279 talk about is when it's something you'll 1580 01:13:15,539 --> 01:13:12,679 acquire the ranch we we had a 1581 01:13:18,849 --> 01:13:15,549 subcommittee of the Science Board 1582 01:13:19,509 --> 01:13:18,859 looking at what instrumentation exactly 1583 01:13:21,639 --> 01:13:19,519 your question 1584 01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:21,649 you know what instrumentation we should 1585 01:13:26,829 --> 01:13:24,169 we should put there knowing that we 1586 01:13:29,739 --> 01:13:26,839 didn't want to go overboard we wanted 1587 01:13:33,879 --> 01:13:29,749 people to be able to still do their 1588 01:13:36,819 --> 01:13:33,889 normal work without being you know 1589 01:13:39,339 --> 01:13:36,829 bothered by the technology getting in 1590 01:13:41,919 --> 01:13:39,349 the way one of the things I insisted on 1591 01:13:44,379 --> 01:13:41,929 was if we're going to have a ring of 1592 01:13:46,359 --> 01:13:44,389 cameras we should have another ring of 1593 01:13:48,819 --> 01:13:46,369 cameras watching the first cameras 1594 01:13:51,429 --> 01:13:48,829 because something the phenomenon can 1595 01:13:52,179 --> 01:13:51,439 tamper with our camera and in fact that 1596 01:13:54,250 --> 01:13:52,189 did happen 1597 01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:54,260 I wanted to interrupt because I just 1598 01:13:58,359 --> 01:13:56,239 just hit me right there because I think 1599 01:14:00,099 --> 01:13:58,369 they have that issue sometimes reported 1600 01:14:02,319 --> 01:14:00,109 with UFO abductions where they want to 1601 01:14:04,449 --> 01:14:02,329 set up a camera to catch it in action 1602 01:14:06,939 --> 01:14:04,459 something weird happens so in the case 1603 01:14:09,729 --> 01:14:06,949 you're talking about the tampering what 1604 01:14:12,939 --> 01:14:09,739 actually seems to happen you cannot take 1605 01:14:15,819 --> 01:14:12,949 the quote you know scientific rational 1606 01:14:18,369 --> 01:14:15,829 approach to this the scientific rational 1607 01:14:21,489 --> 01:14:18,379 approach is your monitor phenomenon like 1608 01:14:23,229 --> 01:14:21,499 I don't know clouds in the sky you're 1609 01:14:25,509 --> 01:14:23,239 going to set up a couple of special 1610 01:14:27,069 --> 01:14:25,519 cameras and you're going to recall what 1611 01:14:29,919 --> 01:14:27,079 happens and then you're going to process 1612 01:14:30,970 --> 01:14:29,929 it in some way but the clouds are not 1613 01:14:34,780 --> 01:14:30,980 going to lie to you 1614 01:14:38,170 --> 01:14:34,790 here we have phenomenon that we don't 1615 01:14:40,420 --> 01:14:38,180 understand what it is physically we 1616 01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:40,430 think we do I mean it has lights and it 1617 01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:43,130 has you know when it lands it does 1618 01:14:48,910 --> 01:14:46,400 something to the ground and okay so we 1619 01:14:52,750 --> 01:14:48,920 can assume that that will continue 1620 01:14:55,180 --> 01:14:52,760 although that's not a given for example 1621 01:14:58,930 --> 01:14:55,190 you want to run into something that has 1622 01:15:00,790 --> 01:14:58,940 a light but lots of UFOs are dark so you 1623 01:15:03,490 --> 01:15:00,800 may not catch them with the same 1624 01:15:06,220 --> 01:15:03,500 technology you expect them to move 1625 01:15:07,780 --> 01:15:06,230 slowly but some of them can disappear in 1626 01:15:09,940 --> 01:15:07,790 the blink of an eye 1627 01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:09,950 so where do they go and your camera I 1628 01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:12,170 didn't touch that by the way people in 1629 01:15:16,210 --> 01:15:13,970 the space program have the same problem 1630 01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:16,220 and in for a long time they didn't know 1631 01:15:22,540 --> 01:15:18,650 about the Van Allen belts because their 1632 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:22,550 sensors stopped where they pursued that 1633 01:15:28,990 --> 01:15:25,850 the field would be maximum and the field 1634 01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:29,000 was much much much higher in those areas 1635 01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:32,239 they just saturated their sensors they 1636 01:15:36,910 --> 01:15:34,730 had to redo the thing and understand why 1637 01:15:39,010 --> 01:15:36,920 it was saturated you know that's how you 1638 01:15:41,290 --> 01:15:39,020 make discoveries and that's how they 1639 01:15:45,970 --> 01:15:41,300 discovered the Ron Allen belts the same 1640 01:15:47,650 --> 01:15:45,980 thing here it's on top of that we have 1641 01:15:49,900 --> 01:15:47,660 to assume that the phenomenon is 1642 01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:49,910 intelligent and is a phenomenon it's 1643 01:15:54,130 --> 01:15:50,690 intelligent 1644 01:15:57,370 --> 01:15:54,140 it's going to detect our cameras and we 1645 01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:57,380 know this is a phenomenon that loves to 1646 01:16:02,440 --> 01:15:59,360 play with gadgets it plays with 1647 01:16:05,740 --> 01:16:02,450 airplanes it plays with rockets you know 1648 01:16:08,890 --> 01:16:05,750 all the cases from the Air Force or from 1649 01:16:10,990 --> 01:16:08,900 other places where they launch a rocket 1650 01:16:13,870 --> 01:16:11,000 and something arrives from the end of 1651 01:16:16,510 --> 01:16:13,880 the horizon and it spirals around the 1652 01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:16,520 rocket as a rocket goes up you know that 1653 01:16:21,850 --> 01:16:18,530 has been recorded going back to the 50s 1654 01:16:24,370 --> 01:16:21,860 the soit's it's a phenomenon that loves 1655 01:16:26,740 --> 01:16:24,380 to play with your gadgets let's do our 1656 01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:26,750 breaker ties let's do our break more to 1657 01:16:37,480 --> 01:16:28,970 come with Jacques Vallee Jean and Chris 1658 01:16:37,490 --> 01:16:42,320 thank you for listening to GCN 1659 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ounces of silver this free book 1769 01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:45,250 will explain it eight eight eight seven 1770 01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:53,990 [Music] 1771 01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:56,100 this is my to hang to the graylien 1772 01:21:00,030 --> 01:20:58,000 report and you're listening to the para 1773 01:21:00,780 --> 01:21:00,040 cast the gold standard of paranormal 1774 01:21:08,230 --> 01:21:00,790 radio 1775 01:21:12,620 --> 01:21:11,090 let me remind your neighbors that we 1776 01:21:14,150 --> 01:21:12,630 have another radio show called after the 1777 01:21:17,540 --> 01:21:14,160 power cast where we'll have a lot to say 1778 01:21:20,510 --> 01:21:17,550 about Jacques but not behind his back 1779 01:21:22,220 --> 01:21:20,520 it's you know just an appreciation of 1780 01:21:24,230 --> 01:21:22,230 all the things we're learning right now 1781 01:21:26,630 --> 01:21:24,240 and the only way you can hear that show 1782 01:21:29,090 --> 01:21:26,640 if you become a member of the power cast 1783 01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:29,100 plus go to plus stop the power cast come 1784 01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:33,690 that's PL us dot of the para cast com we 1785 01:21:36,670 --> 01:21:35,370 also give you version of this show free 1786 01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:36,680 of the network Ed's 1787 01:21:42,170 --> 01:21:39,120 was that enough there's more to come on 1788 01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:42,180 the power cast plus plus dot the power 1789 01:21:46,910 --> 01:21:44,880 cast com Jacques fillet is here 1790 01:21:49,460 --> 01:21:46,920 reminiscing about a lot of subjects 1791 01:21:52,340 --> 01:21:49,470 focusing on a lot of subjects but very 1792 01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:52,350 much in part because our friends that 1793 01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:54,810 anomalous books have reprinted the three 1794 01:22:01,820 --> 01:21:59,040 volumes of his forbidden science 1795 01:22:05,390 --> 01:22:01,830 journals and that's something you really 1796 01:22:07,490 --> 01:22:05,400 want to check out you know again I'm I'm 1797 01:22:11,330 --> 01:22:07,500 kind of fishing here for a way to move 1798 01:22:13,460 --> 01:22:11,340 forward in investigating particular 1799 01:22:17,660 --> 01:22:13,470 hotspot areas if you will window areas 1800 01:22:20,420 --> 01:22:17,670 and whether there's ever gonna be an 1801 01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:20,430 efficient way to gather hard data you 1802 01:22:24,610 --> 01:22:22,560 were starting to talk about the Sherman 1803 01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:24,620 ranch the skinwalker ranch case where 1804 01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:28,410 one of the cameras was rendered 1805 01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:32,010 inoperable literally wires jerked out of 1806 01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:35,280 the thing if I remember correctly we had 1807 01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:37,650 John Alexander on the show and he gave 1808 01:22:43,250 --> 01:22:40,650 us a very very colorful blow-by-blow 1809 01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:43,260 explanation of what happened as you 1810 01:22:47,300 --> 01:22:45,210 mentioned Jacque not only did you have a 1811 01:22:50,210 --> 01:22:47,310 ring of cameras you had another set of 1812 01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:50,220 cameras watching the other cameras and 1813 01:22:57,170 --> 01:22:55,290 on cue this thing evidently tore out the 1814 01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:57,180 wires on the camera and the camera 1815 01:23:01,730 --> 01:22:59,040 looking at the camera that had been 1816 01:23:04,490 --> 01:23:01,740 impacted by whatever it was really 1817 01:23:06,980 --> 01:23:04,500 didn't show anything going up there and 1818 01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:06,990 actually rendering that initial camera 1819 01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:09,090 inoperative what do you what do you make 1820 01:23:13,370 --> 01:23:11,040 of that I wrote a book on the trickster 1821 01:23:16,010 --> 01:23:13,380 and I've been you're wrapping my head 1822 01:23:18,660 --> 01:23:16,020 around this whole idea of absurdity and 1823 01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:18,670 and inexplicable 'ti and trick 1824 01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:23,170 tourism as an integral part of many of 1825 01:23:29,550 --> 01:23:26,530 these phenomenal events across you know 1826 01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:29,560 across the spectrum what do you make of 1827 01:23:38,850 --> 01:23:35,280 that I've seen that tape I was 1828 01:23:41,370 --> 01:23:38,860 congratulating myself for telling those 1829 01:23:43,620 --> 01:23:41,380 guys they should have a second ring of 1830 01:23:46,290 --> 01:23:43,630 camera because otherwise you know we 1831 01:23:49,979 --> 01:23:46,300 would have assumed that that particular 1832 01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:49,989 camera had just cut off or that somebody 1833 01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:52,810 had done something and and we didn't 1834 01:23:58,350 --> 01:23:55,810 know what it was the fact that we could 1835 01:24:01,530 --> 01:23:58,360 see that we were looking at the camera 1836 01:24:04,919 --> 01:24:01,540 all the time and that there was nobody 1837 01:24:07,620 --> 01:24:04,929 there cutting the wire you know puts it 1838 01:24:11,700 --> 01:24:07,630 in a completely different different 1839 01:24:17,729 --> 01:24:11,710 category you know I don't want to say 1840 01:24:22,050 --> 01:24:17,739 anything discouraging but for about six 1841 01:24:25,169 --> 01:24:22,060 years on the Sherman ranch 1842 01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:25,179 nothing happened even though there were 1843 01:24:31,260 --> 01:24:29,679 scientists there they were they were you 1844 01:24:34,380 --> 01:24:31,270 know there in the ranchers were their 1845 01:24:38,459 --> 01:24:34,390 family essentially there were the 1846 01:24:40,919 --> 01:24:38,469 cameras there was sensors and nothing 1847 01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:40,929 happened so unless you have the kind of 1848 01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:43,840 resources that mr. Bigelow can can 1849 01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:46,330 deploy you know you have to be prepared 1850 01:24:50,729 --> 01:24:48,880 for a lot of work that's really angry 1851 01:24:51,930 --> 01:24:50,739 warning and then from time to time 1852 01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:51,940 something would happen 1853 01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:54,610 we had cattle mutilations we had things 1854 01:25:01,770 --> 01:24:59,199 that you know animals that disappeared 1855 01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:01,780 when we appeared we had very strange 1856 01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:06,480 behavior bye-bye animals we had orbs but 1857 01:25:13,050 --> 01:25:09,520 there was no flying saucer you know and 1858 01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:13,060 we started out thinking we were going to 1859 01:25:21,330 --> 01:25:16,570 get footage of certainly information 1860 01:25:23,220 --> 01:25:21,340 about craft and they were craft in our 1861 01:25:27,419 --> 01:25:23,230 neighbors you know to the left and to 1862 01:25:30,290 --> 01:25:27,429 the right but not on the ranch there 1863 01:25:32,340 --> 01:25:30,300 were indications of strange things that 1864 01:25:37,230 --> 01:25:32,350 were at the limit of 1865 01:25:40,020 --> 01:25:37,240 but we were recording and actually I've 1866 01:25:44,490 --> 01:25:40,030 gone back thanks to a gentleman named 1867 01:25:49,250 --> 01:25:44,500 Frank Sonny's burry who was a long-term 1868 01:25:53,100 --> 01:25:49,260 friend of mine was a professor of Plant 1869 01:25:57,090 --> 01:25:53,110 Pathology at the University of Utah and 1870 01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:57,100 Utah State we had him on the show the 1871 01:26:04,440 --> 01:25:58,960 great Utah UFO display one of my 1872 01:26:08,190 --> 01:26:04,450 favorite books yes well he wanted to 1873 01:26:12,510 --> 01:26:08,200 redo that book so no 40 years later and 1874 01:26:16,830 --> 01:26:12,520 so he offered me to join him and we went 1875 01:26:20,700 --> 01:26:16,840 back relocated most of witnesses in his 1876 01:26:23,490 --> 01:26:20,710 first book Frank passed away by the way 1877 01:26:25,980 --> 01:26:23,500 a little over a year ago which is a pity 1878 01:26:33,290 --> 01:26:25,990 he was really a great scientist a great 1879 01:26:36,270 --> 01:26:33,300 gentleman and had access to both the 1880 01:26:41,220 --> 01:26:36,280 Mormon community there and the Indian 1881 01:26:45,150 --> 01:26:41,230 community and you know knew Utah very 1882 01:26:47,730 --> 01:26:45,160 well and you know never mind those 1883 01:26:52,610 --> 01:26:47,740 escaped Walker ranch I mean all of 1884 01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:52,620 northern Utah is a high paranormal area 1885 01:26:59,640 --> 01:26:56,730 well the you and a basin especially yes 1886 01:27:02,940 --> 01:26:59,650 and he was pretty dismissive of the 1887 01:27:06,510 --> 01:27:02,950 Sherman Ranch case he wasn't really that 1888 01:27:07,290 --> 01:27:06,520 impressed with it I remember the when he 1889 01:27:11,610 --> 01:27:07,300 rereleased 1890 01:27:14,130 --> 01:27:11,620 you know the book the great Utah UFO 1891 01:27:18,270 --> 01:27:14,140 display he had an addendum chapter in 1892 01:27:19,860 --> 01:27:18,280 there if I recall and he didn't seem 1893 01:27:23,070 --> 01:27:19,870 very impressed with the Sherman ranch 1894 01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:23,080 case privately what did what did he tell 1895 01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:25,360 you what were his feelings about the 1896 01:27:30,210 --> 01:27:27,760 claims of the Sherman's and and the 1897 01:27:32,250 --> 01:27:30,220 effort that big low you know in Qom 1898 01:27:34,170 --> 01:27:32,260 Kelleher and John and yourself and the 1899 01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:34,180 other folks that were involved perfectly 1900 01:27:42,180 --> 01:27:38,710 what what did he tell you privately but 1901 01:27:45,300 --> 01:27:42,190 at that point he certainly knew a lot 1902 01:27:46,230 --> 01:27:45,310 more about Utah and I did but I knew a 1903 01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:46,240 lot more about 1904 01:27:53,580 --> 01:27:49,840 the the ranch and then he did he has he 1905 01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:53,590 never set foot on the ranch and I didn't 1906 01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:57,360 at that point you know the the ranch was 1907 01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:00,400 going full transformations and so on I 1908 01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:03,850 wasn't involved day today and I did not 1909 01:28:11,070 --> 01:28:06,850 want to go there without mr. Bigelow's 1910 01:28:16,670 --> 01:28:11,080 knowing that we were doing this and but 1911 01:28:20,970 --> 01:28:16,680 what I told Frank was that you know we 1912 01:28:24,210 --> 01:28:20,980 what was going on through you know dr. 1913 01:28:27,210 --> 01:28:24,220 Keller's book is is Israeli accent and 1914 01:28:31,050 --> 01:28:27,220 it sets up most of the information about 1915 01:28:34,170 --> 01:28:31,060 the ranch but you can find cases you 1916 01:28:37,380 --> 01:28:34,180 know all over as you said we're over the 1917 01:28:43,790 --> 01:28:37,390 basin so we took two trips 1918 01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:43,800 dr. Salsbury and i of about 10 days each 1919 01:28:49,830 --> 01:28:48,250 around you know going from vernal to fob 1920 01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:49,840 to shine as you see where there is 1921 01:28:56,990 --> 01:28:54,610 around Roosevelt and then the second 1922 01:29:01,770 --> 01:28:57,000 trip we started through the winter 1923 01:29:05,190 --> 01:29:01,780 mountain chain starting from from Utah 1924 01:29:08,970 --> 01:29:05,200 and I mean from the Salt Lake City and 1925 01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:08,980 going over the the North growing even a 1926 01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:11,440 little bit into Wyoming and then coming 1927 01:29:16,830 --> 01:29:14,170 back through the mountains which he 1928 01:29:19,350 --> 01:29:16,840 loved by the way as a as a young man he 1929 01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:19,360 had you know climbed all over those 1930 01:29:24,150 --> 01:29:21,450 mountains and so on had wonderful 1931 01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:24,160 reminiscences of of the landscape and 1932 01:29:30,210 --> 01:29:26,560 the people and so on and then driving 1933 01:29:34,410 --> 01:29:30,220 back towards Roosevelt again and that 1934 01:29:37,020 --> 01:29:34,420 whole area is full of cases of you know 1935 01:29:39,300 --> 01:29:37,030 UFOs again that we could verify and 1936 01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:39,310 augment what he had done in his first 1937 01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:43,440 book that also sightings of creatures 1938 01:29:51,770 --> 01:29:48,610 sighting of skinwalkers orbs and all 1939 01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:51,780 kinds of other things and you know 1940 01:29:58,080 --> 01:29:54,570 strange disappearances paranormal 1941 01:29:59,670 --> 01:29:58,090 phenomena and those were typically not 1942 01:30:02,760 --> 01:29:59,680 reported because you have you 1943 01:30:06,150 --> 01:30:02,770 leading with two communities that very 1944 01:30:09,300 --> 01:30:06,160 unique and very closed very keeping 1945 01:30:11,370 --> 01:30:09,310 information to their own to their own 1946 01:30:13,260 --> 01:30:11,380 standards and their own traditions no 1947 01:30:15,750 --> 01:30:13,270 let's do our break here and we've got 1948 01:30:18,390 --> 01:30:15,760 more to come with Jean Chris and our 1949 01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:18,400 special guests Jacque filet and you know 1950 01:30:21,060 --> 01:30:19,810 we're just gonna get started here we've 1951 01:30:23,190 --> 01:30:21,070 got lots of questions from listeners 1952 01:30:25,650 --> 01:30:23,200 that Chris is gonna bring up in a moment 1953 01:30:27,420 --> 01:30:25,660 and maybe we'll get further commitment 1954 01:30:29,700 --> 01:30:27,430 from Jacques later on this year to come 1955 01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:29,710 back with Jamie and Chris your ending 1956 01:30:41,790 --> 01:30:39,970 the request thank you for listening to 1957 01:30:46,659 --> 01:30:41,800 GCS 1958 01:30:52,609 --> 01:30:50,149 do you need a website well you can get a 1959 01:30:55,339 --> 01:30:52,619 great deal on hosting services with 1960 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01:35:29,450 --> 01:35:27,240 shall continue well you know I've done a 2071 01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:29,460 bit of digging myself a little bit of 2072 01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:32,130 research I didn't have my investigative 2073 01:35:36,620 --> 01:35:34,290 blinders on I had a perfect petri dish 2074 01:35:38,810 --> 01:35:36,630 in the San Luis Valley but the one case 2075 01:35:42,700 --> 01:35:38,820 that did draw me out of the valley was 2076 01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:42,710 the skinwalker ranch so called kase and 2077 01:35:49,930 --> 01:35:46,890 because of my I was very very intrigued 2078 01:35:53,390 --> 01:35:49,940 by the claims of Terry and the family I 2079 01:35:56,690 --> 01:35:53,400 started developing some sources and and 2080 01:35:58,670 --> 01:35:56,700 doing field trips up to the you wina 2081 01:36:02,030 --> 01:35:58,680 base and the southern part of the winter 2082 01:36:06,020 --> 01:36:02,040 base and down to Interstate 70 from 2083 01:36:10,820 --> 01:36:06,030 Seigo Canyon in the West to Baxter pass 2084 01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:10,830 in the east unfortunately you know Frank 2085 01:36:17,060 --> 01:36:12,930 should Salisbury should have taken you 2086 01:36:20,660 --> 01:36:17,070 down south of the Sherman ranch into the 2087 01:36:23,540 --> 01:36:20,670 gas and oil fields area some cases there 2088 01:36:25,250 --> 01:36:23,550 and we spoke to the manager of one of 2089 01:36:28,130 --> 01:36:25,260 those fields but we didn't go there 2090 01:36:30,860 --> 01:36:28,140 you're absolutely right we we should 2091 01:36:33,710 --> 01:36:30,870 have spent more time down there the 2092 01:36:36,620 --> 01:36:33,720 Uinta Mountains are very very compelling 2093 01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:36,630 the only mountains in the North America 2094 01:36:42,290 --> 01:36:39,330 that run I think east to west of west to 2095 01:36:44,270 --> 01:36:42,300 east all other mountain chains run north 2096 01:36:46,970 --> 01:36:44,280 to south I think the Brooks Range in in 2097 01:36:49,450 --> 01:36:46,980 Alaska would be the the one kind of 2098 01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:49,460 exception but you know I'm telling you I 2099 01:36:53,930 --> 01:36:52,320 went to some areas in the middle of the 2100 01:36:57,950 --> 01:36:53,940 Uintah Basin to the southern end of it 2101 01:37:00,830 --> 01:36:57,960 just above I 70 you know along the Green 2102 01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:00,840 River area the baxter pass as i 2103 01:37:07,490 --> 01:37:02,930 mentioned you know south of bonanza 2104 01:37:09,890 --> 01:37:07,500 there there is amazing activity going on 2105 01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:09,900 down there and the only people that 2106 01:37:15,649 --> 01:37:14,010 the oil and gas workers and the very 2107 01:37:18,169 --> 01:37:15,659 very few residents that are down there 2108 01:37:19,820 --> 01:37:18,179 and some of the Native American 2109 01:37:22,340 --> 01:37:19,830 traditions and stories that have 2110 01:37:24,649 --> 01:37:22,350 developed out of that area are extremely 2111 01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:24,659 intriguing but it would take an army to 2112 01:37:29,780 --> 01:37:27,090 cover that area it's so large and it's 2113 01:37:32,919 --> 01:37:29,790 so remote it's very very difficult to 2114 01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:32,929 get to but that to me is one of those 2115 01:37:38,540 --> 01:37:35,449 undiscovered unpolished diamonds in 2116 01:37:40,130 --> 01:37:38,550 potential UFO research and there are a 2117 01:37:42,350 --> 01:37:40,140 number of areas like that obviously 2118 01:37:45,140 --> 01:37:42,360 around that around the country but but 2119 01:37:47,390 --> 01:37:45,150 that's one of my you know if I had 2120 01:37:49,370 --> 01:37:47,400 unlimited budgets and a lot of people 2121 01:37:51,500 --> 01:37:49,380 helping that's where I would be setting 2122 01:37:54,350 --> 01:37:51,510 up some gear and and setting people up 2123 01:37:57,590 --> 01:37:54,360 to to do some observation as you pointed 2124 01:38:01,160 --> 01:37:57,600 out whatever this phenomenon is or the 2125 01:38:04,189 --> 01:38:01,170 phenomena are is very very intelligent 2126 01:38:06,649 --> 01:38:04,199 it can anticipate what we're going to do 2127 01:38:09,350 --> 01:38:06,659 even before we realize we're going to do 2128 01:38:10,850 --> 01:38:09,360 it I will go that extra step not only 2129 01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:10,860 will it anticipate what we're trying to 2130 01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:13,170 do it will second-guess us before we 2131 01:38:17,899 --> 01:38:15,210 even get to the point of trying to do it 2132 01:38:20,450 --> 01:38:17,909 and once you get to that point of it 2133 01:38:23,060 --> 01:38:20,460 being able to predict what your 2134 01:38:26,660 --> 01:38:23,070 inclinations are what your compulsions 2135 01:38:28,700 --> 01:38:26,670 are I mean it's very very difficult to 2136 01:38:31,899 --> 01:38:28,710 try to set up some sort of scientific 2137 01:38:35,090 --> 01:38:31,909 you know set of protocols and gear and 2138 01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:35,100 efforts to gain hard data and then 2139 01:38:39,470 --> 01:38:37,530 replicate that data most importantly so 2140 01:38:42,229 --> 01:38:39,480 what we have to do is we have to try to 2141 01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:42,239 outfox the Fox or out trick the 2142 01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:44,850 trickster if you will how would you 2143 01:38:48,919 --> 01:38:46,890 suggest that we go about doing that do 2144 01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:48,929 we need to dive into the realm of of 2145 01:38:54,590 --> 01:38:51,210 psychics and Chandler's and all that or 2146 01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:54,600 is there some other way you asked a very 2147 01:38:58,910 --> 01:38:56,400 good question earlier you know what can 2148 01:39:02,810 --> 01:38:58,920 be done when you have an area which is 2149 01:39:05,689 --> 01:39:02,820 an active intense area and I don't mean 2150 01:39:08,630 --> 01:39:05,699 to evade your question now there are a 2151 01:39:11,870 --> 01:39:08,640 couple of things that are new and 2152 01:39:15,229 --> 01:39:11,880 high-tech but potentially useful I mean 2153 01:39:19,810 --> 01:39:15,239 not not all high technology is useful as 2154 01:39:23,390 --> 01:39:19,820 we saw with Skype but in those two cases 2155 01:39:23,780 --> 01:39:23,400 there is a little book that's been out 2156 01:39:26,900 --> 01:39:23,790 for 2157 01:39:30,020 --> 01:39:26,910 about a year called camellia and it's 2158 01:39:33,740 --> 01:39:30,030 written by a professor of English at the 2159 01:39:37,250 --> 01:39:33,750 University in Southern California it's 2160 01:39:39,980 --> 01:39:37,260 committee will see am e lu and he wrote 2161 01:39:43,220 --> 01:39:39,990 it as a novel because i don't think he 2162 01:39:45,380 --> 01:39:43,230 could write it in any other way but it's 2163 01:39:48,650 --> 01:39:45,390 about a series of events that happened 2164 01:39:51,950 --> 01:39:48,660 around san diego that he was privy to 2165 01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:51,960 through some of his friends and probably 2166 01:39:57,020 --> 01:39:55,440 some of these students having to do with 2167 01:40:02,060 --> 01:39:57,030 people who could make themselves 2168 01:40:06,260 --> 01:40:02,070 invisible now that is kind of a 2169 01:40:09,170 --> 01:40:06,270 preposterous claim but it reminded me of 2170 01:40:13,730 --> 01:40:09,180 something that happened when I published 2171 01:40:17,690 --> 01:40:13,740 a book called revelations many many 2172 01:40:21,470 --> 01:40:17,700 years ago and I had a phone call in the 2173 01:40:25,690 --> 01:40:21,480 middle of the night from someone who 2174 01:40:29,090 --> 01:40:25,700 obviously was technically very savvy 2175 01:40:32,060 --> 01:40:29,100 said dr. Valle I cannot tell you who I 2176 01:40:34,850 --> 01:40:32,070 am or where I work but some of the 2177 01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:34,860 things you've been describing in your 2178 01:40:44,390 --> 01:40:38,490 book look like some of the things we're 2179 01:40:47,290 --> 01:40:44,400 doing and I said so what do you do and 2180 01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:47,300 he said well we make things disappear 2181 01:40:55,460 --> 01:40:51,570 and if I told you that I've been in the 2182 01:40:58,970 --> 01:40:55,470 middle of maneuvers with large vehicles 2183 01:41:00,530 --> 01:40:58,980 like tanks for example and that I was a 2184 01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:00,540 hundred feet from the tank and I 2185 01:41:05,450 --> 01:41:02,130 couldn't see the tank would you believe 2186 01:41:08,690 --> 01:41:05,460 me and how if you had to do something 2187 01:41:14,330 --> 01:41:08,700 like this how would you do it so I 2188 01:41:16,630 --> 01:41:14,340 thought well yeah well issue if the skin 2189 01:41:19,670 --> 01:41:16,640 of the tank is made of optical fibres 2190 01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:19,680 maybe I can direct the light around the 2191 01:41:24,740 --> 01:41:22,290 tank and then I'm not going to see the 2192 01:41:28,250 --> 01:41:24,750 tank she said well you know that could 2193 01:41:30,500 --> 01:41:28,260 be one way to do it but you know that 2194 01:41:32,210 --> 01:41:30,510 would be pretty complicated and there 2195 01:41:35,870 --> 01:41:32,220 are probably other ways of doing it that 2196 01:41:37,370 --> 01:41:35,880 I can't tell you but that you should 2197 01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:37,380 continue to think of 2198 01:41:41,990 --> 01:41:40,320 and he hung up have you never forgotten 2199 01:41:44,930 --> 01:41:42,000 that conversation because obviously it 2200 01:41:47,359 --> 01:41:44,940 was somebody who knew what he was 2201 01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:47,369 working on he knew what he was doing and 2202 01:41:51,649 --> 01:41:49,050 he started just at the point where it 2203 01:41:55,129 --> 01:41:51,659 might have infringed on you know some 2204 01:41:57,129 --> 01:41:55,139 technology that wasn't you know I hate 2205 01:42:00,560 --> 01:41:57,139 to interrupt you but I was visited by 2206 01:42:03,410 --> 01:42:00,570 the higher up at Martin Marietta at 2207 01:42:05,450 --> 01:42:03,420 Buckley Air Force Base who asked me the 2208 01:42:07,069 --> 01:42:05,460 same question so I'm wondering if we're 2209 01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:07,079 talking about the same individual 2210 01:42:14,780 --> 01:42:11,610 we might be and in Camille he actually 2211 01:42:17,450 --> 01:42:14,790 identifies somebody who fits that 2212 01:42:20,689 --> 01:42:17,460 description who might be because he was 2213 01:42:24,740 --> 01:42:20,699 not well he was part of the project but 2214 01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:24,750 he probably wasn't subject to the same 2215 01:42:31,580 --> 01:42:27,449 classification as the the other people 2216 01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:31,590 so he could kind of talk about it I mean 2217 01:42:36,410 --> 01:42:34,650 how many people would there be whoever 2218 01:42:39,319 --> 01:42:36,420 could be privy to that and could talk 2219 01:42:41,450 --> 01:42:39,329 about it but this was many years ago 2220 01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:41,460 that was over 20 years ago that 2221 01:42:45,950 --> 01:42:43,199 conversation committee who came up came 2222 01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:45,960 out a year ago and he talks about the 2223 01:42:56,359 --> 01:42:50,010 same thing so since 2+2 still equal too 2224 01:42:59,390 --> 01:42:56,369 far I thought about the invincible you 2225 01:43:01,520 --> 01:42:59,400 know the cable being cut on that camera 2226 01:43:04,580 --> 01:43:01,530 on the ranch and other things that 2227 01:43:08,979 --> 01:43:04,590 happened on the ranch where they 2228 01:43:11,689 --> 01:43:08,989 couldn't see anybody and and you know 2229 01:43:14,810 --> 01:43:11,699 northern Utah would be an ideal place to 2230 01:43:17,300 --> 01:43:14,820 test some of those things if you wanted 2231 01:43:20,510 --> 01:43:17,310 to test them on the normal population as 2232 01:43:23,180 --> 01:43:20,520 opposed to testing I mean a you know in 2233 01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:23,190 a war game well I wouldn't call it a 2234 01:43:28,430 --> 01:43:25,530 normal population that's a small little 2235 01:43:29,959 --> 01:43:28,440 bubble of white ownership in the midst 2236 01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:29,969 of a very large Native American 2237 01:43:39,500 --> 01:43:32,610 reservation so it would be even more 2238 01:43:42,379 --> 01:43:39,510 ideal of the Mormon community and the 2239 01:43:45,740 --> 01:43:42,389 Indian community has had their own share 2240 01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:45,750 of observations oh yeah there was one 2241 01:43:53,570 --> 01:43:50,610 case that Frank and I looked at where a 2242 01:43:58,879 --> 01:43:53,580 essentially a very large dog walking on 2243 01:44:01,580 --> 01:43:58,889 its hind legs was walking along the the 2244 01:44:04,700 --> 01:44:01,590 world through a village north of 2245 01:44:06,470 --> 01:44:04,710 Roosevelt and you know we spoke to the 2246 01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:06,480 witnesses and Wilson spoke to their 2247 01:44:10,910 --> 01:44:08,489 Highway Patrol they had called the 2248 01:44:11,660 --> 01:44:10,920 Highway Patrol because they were scared 2249 01:44:14,810 --> 01:44:11,670 of that thing 2250 01:44:18,109 --> 01:44:14,820 it didn't act hostile it wasn't you know 2251 01:44:20,660 --> 01:44:18,119 chasing chickens or eating their cat but 2252 01:44:22,550 --> 01:44:20,670 it was kind of impressive so they called 2253 01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:22,560 the Highway Patrol the thing ran 2254 01:44:32,750 --> 01:44:30,050 alongside tronca and they entered a 2255 01:44:37,090 --> 01:44:32,760 reservation area so they called the 2256 01:44:40,370 --> 01:44:37,100 tribal police tribal police sent a car 2257 01:44:43,250 --> 01:44:40,380 followed the hungry Patrol and the guy 2258 01:44:45,919 --> 01:44:43,260 looked at the thing got on the radio and 2259 01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:45,929 said in some URLs guys good luck I'm 2260 01:44:52,850 --> 01:44:48,570 going home they turned around and went 2261 01:44:55,340 --> 01:44:52,860 home because something I loved it in his 2262 01:44:57,919 --> 01:44:55,350 tradition and as you know if you've 2263 01:45:00,649 --> 01:44:57,929 spent time there they related to some of 2264 01:45:03,379 --> 01:45:00,659 the Navajo traditions and there is a lot 2265 01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:03,389 of bad blood that is still there between 2266 01:45:09,100 --> 01:45:06,000 the youth do you race on the Navajos 2267 01:45:11,930 --> 01:45:09,110 right because the huge parts of history 2268 01:45:14,390 --> 01:45:11,940 that I certainly didn't learn in school 2269 01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:14,400 we can you learn it when you talk to 2270 01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:17,760 people we have more with Jacque filet 2271 01:45:24,610 --> 01:45:28,010 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of the pairing cast our special 2329 01:48:08,380 --> 01:48:06,500 guests Jacque fillet Christopher Bryan 2330 01:48:12,580 --> 01:48:08,390 had to comment what we were talking 2331 01:48:15,810 --> 01:48:12,590 about a upright bipedal kind of wolf man 2332 01:48:17,980 --> 01:48:15,820 or dog man sighting and passing off 2333 01:48:20,980 --> 01:48:17,990 jurisdiction from the Highway Patrol to 2334 01:48:21,580 --> 01:48:20,990 the to the reservation cops or vice 2335 01:48:24,390 --> 01:48:21,590 versa 2336 01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:24,400 but I think it's very interesting you 2337 01:48:29,350 --> 01:48:26,690 know what I love about this kind of 2338 01:48:32,170 --> 01:48:29,360 thing is that I keep learning lots of 2339 01:48:34,060 --> 01:48:32,180 things from really good people and 2340 01:48:36,310 --> 01:48:34,070 that's what kind of investigation I like 2341 01:48:38,110 --> 01:48:36,320 you know I don't go into the field with 2342 01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:38,120 a lot of equipment I never take a tape 2343 01:48:44,380 --> 01:48:40,970 recorder I do take a camera and maybe 2344 01:48:47,260 --> 01:48:44,390 like a camera hold my phone I don't have 2345 01:48:50,410 --> 01:48:47,270 a choice but I don't take any you know 2346 01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:50,420 any special equipment what I like is to 2347 01:48:56,830 --> 01:48:54,290 have the trust of the people and they 2348 01:49:00,130 --> 01:48:56,840 invite me in and you know we sit at the 2349 01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:00,140 kitchen table if I'm lucky I get a cup 2350 01:49:05,140 --> 01:49:02,090 of coffee which is not necessarily true 2351 01:49:06,910 --> 01:49:05,150 in the moment community and we talk we 2352 01:49:09,790 --> 01:49:06,920 talk about their lives and we talk about 2353 01:49:11,980 --> 01:49:09,800 my life and we talk about what we're 2354 01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:11,990 trying to learn and you know it's a 2355 01:49:21,130 --> 01:49:16,010 mystery and the Cameo is about making 2356 01:49:23,590 --> 01:49:21,140 people stealthy is not invisible and I 2357 01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:23,600 think that has to be something that we 2358 01:49:28,090 --> 01:49:25,280 have to take into account the other 2359 01:49:31,630 --> 01:49:28,100 thing that people can do that you could 2360 01:49:33,340 --> 01:49:31,640 do over the San Luis Valley is you know 2361 01:49:36,820 --> 01:49:33,350 it used to be very difficult to get 2362 01:49:39,430 --> 01:49:36,830 satellite pictures not pictures but 2363 01:49:41,500 --> 01:49:39,440 images of an area especially at high 2364 01:49:45,490 --> 01:49:41,510 resolution but that's not true anymore 2365 01:49:46,900 --> 01:49:45,500 because we were things that we're doing 2366 01:49:49,630 --> 01:49:46,910 in Silicon Valley 2367 01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:49,640 well yeah Google Earth is sort of static 2368 01:49:56,440 --> 01:49:54,290 but you can get daily pictures of you 2369 01:49:58,270 --> 01:49:56,450 know field and resolution where you 2370 01:50:01,190 --> 01:49:58,280 you'll be able to see you 2371 01:50:03,770 --> 01:50:01,200 so you know which is one meter 2372 01:50:06,410 --> 01:50:03,780 resolution and if you can get one meter 2373 01:50:08,690 --> 01:50:06,420 resolution you can probably fudge it to 2374 01:50:10,910 --> 01:50:08,700 get 50 centimeter resolution which will 2375 01:50:13,310 --> 01:50:10,920 cause for two years ago yeah classified 2376 01:50:16,610 --> 01:50:13,320 I go where I go to do that Google Earth 2377 01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:16,620 Pro no not Google there are a number of 2378 01:50:22,940 --> 01:50:19,890 new companies that are buying the 2379 01:50:26,150 --> 01:50:22,950 streams from the satellites planet labs 2380 01:50:28,790 --> 01:50:26,160 which is now called just planet it's a 2381 01:50:30,440 --> 01:50:28,800 company in in San Francisco for some 2382 01:50:32,930 --> 01:50:30,450 reason all these guys are not in the 2383 01:50:35,150 --> 01:50:32,940 Mojave Desert where are the Rockets are 2384 01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:35,160 they they are all in downtown San 2385 01:50:40,730 --> 01:50:37,770 Francisco and they are beginning to make 2386 01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:40,740 those streams of data available there's 2387 01:50:47,330 --> 01:50:44,210 no to farmers and to they also do 2388 01:50:50,180 --> 01:50:47,340 indices of activity of industrial 2389 01:50:54,620 --> 01:50:50,190 activity around the world so it's near 2390 01:50:58,340 --> 01:50:54,630 near real-time or real-time daily okay 2391 01:51:01,150 --> 01:50:58,350 yeah so you can specify an area you can 2392 01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:01,160 begin to experiment with that it's not 2393 01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:04,080 cheap yet but it's going to get very 2394 01:51:10,510 --> 01:51:07,170 cheap very easy to which country owns 2395 01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:10,520 the satellites the birds 2396 01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:14,010 airbus has a satellite google has a 2397 01:51:18,650 --> 01:51:16,890 satellite but google is more interested 2398 01:51:21,190 --> 01:51:18,660 in internet there are a number of new 2399 01:51:25,510 --> 01:51:21,200 companies with with birds with 2400 01:51:28,970 --> 01:51:25,520 satellites there there is a company 2401 01:51:31,850 --> 01:51:28,980 which is a very very brand new company 2402 01:51:37,810 --> 01:51:31,860 this is found out in San Francisco so 2403 01:51:40,940 --> 01:51:37,820 called space no space Kate and o W and 2404 01:51:44,030 --> 01:51:40,950 what they do is they repackage all those 2405 01:51:46,550 --> 01:51:44,040 different streams and they index it by 2406 01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:46,560 longitude and latitude and they resell 2407 01:51:53,870 --> 01:51:50,250 it to you wow this is really good news 2408 01:51:57,350 --> 01:51:53,880 talk about supplemental data boy yeah if 2409 01:52:00,680 --> 01:51:57,360 you look at that space know.com you'll 2410 01:52:04,250 --> 01:52:00,690 see what they are doing their major 2411 01:52:07,700 --> 01:52:04,260 clients right now Bloomberg and you know 2412 01:52:10,670 --> 01:52:07,710 people who track financial indices you 2413 01:52:11,060 --> 01:52:10,680 know inventories of oil and that kind of 2414 01:52:15,319 --> 01:52:11,070 thing 2415 01:52:17,390 --> 01:52:15,329 that could be inherently yeah but they 2416 01:52:20,020 --> 01:52:17,400 will also you can experiment with them 2417 01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:20,030 and they give you a break you know in 2418 01:52:25,459 --> 01:52:22,530 looking at a particular area on the 2419 01:52:28,189 --> 01:52:25,469 daily basis and are the same you so you 2420 01:52:29,209 --> 01:52:28,199 want it under the same Sun angle so that 2421 01:52:31,550 --> 01:52:29,219 the shadows 2422 01:52:33,310 --> 01:52:31,560 you know how the same there would be a 2423 01:52:35,479 --> 01:52:33,320 number of those companies very quickly 2424 01:52:37,220 --> 01:52:35,489 well they have quite a number of 2425 01:52:40,580 --> 01:52:37,230 satellites up there if they're able to 2426 01:52:42,500 --> 01:52:40,590 do a pretty extensive coverage obviously 2427 01:52:44,060 --> 01:52:42,510 and they're pretty far the solution 2428 01:52:47,020 --> 01:52:44,070 that's something a little bit different 2429 01:52:50,030 --> 01:52:47,030 and so you want an aggregator who takes 2430 01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:50,040 the data streams from all of those and 2431 01:52:55,310 --> 01:52:53,010 then repackages it for you in a way 2432 01:52:57,200 --> 01:52:55,320 that's convenient yeah that makes some 2433 01:52:59,540 --> 01:52:57,210 assumptions I mean you're not going to 2434 01:53:02,959 --> 01:52:59,550 see you know a dog walking from this 2435 01:53:06,379 --> 01:53:02,969 very place that resolution but you may 2436 01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:06,389 you may see there is a big light at the 2437 01:53:12,229 --> 01:53:09,210 particular time and it stays for you 2438 01:53:14,620 --> 01:53:12,239 know an hour or so you may have a chance 2439 01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:14,630 to be able to go back and pick it up oh 2440 01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:17,250 man that's great some assumptions about 2441 01:53:24,140 --> 01:53:23,010 what it is that you're looking for well 2442 01:53:26,540 --> 01:53:24,150 what we're doing with the San Luis 2443 01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:26,550 Valley project is is putting up a live 2444 01:53:32,959 --> 01:53:29,250 stream of all three cameras and we spent 2445 01:53:35,930 --> 01:53:32,969 a modest amount of money developing you 2446 01:53:38,930 --> 01:53:35,940 know detect motion record motion with 2447 01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:38,940 obviously a lot of buffers and filters 2448 01:53:45,890 --> 01:53:42,090 to trigger to trigger truffaut events as 2449 01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:45,900 opposed to false positives but if we do 2450 01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:47,730 get into a position where we have a 2451 01:53:52,250 --> 01:53:50,010 triangulated array or at least two 2452 01:53:55,250 --> 01:53:52,260 cameras and we do get an event it would 2453 01:53:57,680 --> 01:53:55,260 be great to dial up supplemental images 2454 01:54:01,720 --> 01:53:57,690 from way up in space looking straight 2455 01:54:05,390 --> 01:54:01,730 down to see if we can you know collate 2456 01:54:08,530 --> 01:54:05,400 coalesce data together that it's very 2457 01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:08,540 very exciting if you have trouble 2458 01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:13,050 getting through that you know in terms 2459 01:54:21,799 --> 01:54:19,650 of transparency I I have financed that 2460 01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:21,809 that particular company I mean I'm one 2461 01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:24,090 of several investors in the company so 2462 01:54:29,330 --> 01:54:27,690 and I follow them pretty well so I may 2463 01:54:31,609 --> 01:54:29,340 be able to help you get you know 2464 01:54:33,890 --> 01:54:31,619 specific images if you want to well 2465 01:54:43,299 --> 01:54:33,900 thank you so much oh man you have no 2466 01:54:49,459 --> 01:54:45,560 technology now I mean you must be really 2467 01:54:52,810 --> 01:54:49,469 excited yeah I mean this is something 2468 01:54:55,549 --> 01:54:52,820 that we were thinking of in the 90s I 2469 01:54:58,819 --> 01:54:55,559 could tell you funny stories about what 2470 01:55:01,819 --> 01:54:58,829 we did and we eventually gave up because 2471 01:55:04,700 --> 01:55:01,829 we realized the market wasn't ready but 2472 01:55:08,049 --> 01:55:04,710 we actually started a company in 1994 to 2473 01:55:11,060 --> 01:55:08,059 do this with some help from NASA and 2474 01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:11,070 actually we you know we could do it but 2475 01:55:18,260 --> 01:55:15,210 it was kind of heroic and people are not 2476 01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:18,270 ready to buy the kind of images we could 2477 01:55:23,419 --> 01:55:21,570 generate today the market is enormous so 2478 01:55:25,370 --> 01:55:23,429 now is the time for those those 2479 01:55:28,220 --> 01:55:25,380 companies and and the technology has 2480 01:55:30,649 --> 01:55:28,230 become so much better but another 2481 01:55:33,140 --> 01:55:30,659 suggestion so there is three three 2482 01:55:36,319 --> 01:55:33,150 things to look at one is kami Leo and I 2483 01:55:38,990 --> 01:55:36,329 encourage you to buy that Latino quote 2484 01:55:41,930 --> 01:55:39,000 novel because I think that stuff really 2485 01:55:50,990 --> 01:55:41,940 happened and it's staggering 2486 01:55:55,399 --> 01:55:51,000 the second thing people's books supposed 2487 01:55:57,830 --> 01:55:55,409 to be about my book fellows I know but 2488 01:56:01,549 --> 01:55:57,840 that's part of the thing I mean I love 2489 01:56:03,530 --> 01:56:01,559 to write people to good good stuff the 2490 01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:03,540 other thing is satellite imagery that's 2491 01:56:08,479 --> 01:56:06,090 now available to the public essentially 2492 01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:08,489 and the third thing is do you know about 2493 01:56:14,510 --> 01:56:12,000 health Allen of course Sweden well right 2494 01:56:16,729 --> 01:56:14,520 they've done what what you're talking 2495 01:56:18,229 --> 01:56:16,739 about doing they have three cameras they 2496 01:56:21,290 --> 01:56:18,239 are streaming on the internet which is 2497 01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:21,300 not that hard to do but there are a 2498 01:56:26,830 --> 01:56:24,210 number of articles from especially from 2499 01:56:31,700 --> 01:56:26,840 the Italian series there is an Italian 2500 01:56:35,629 --> 01:56:31,710 university that has set up a lab up 2501 01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:35,639 there in his valiant Valley in in Sweden 2502 01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:37,770 and they're trying to catch spectra 2503 01:56:43,220 --> 01:56:40,010 because it's one thing to see a light 2504 01:56:48,080 --> 01:56:45,350 yeah but you can't do that with digital 2505 01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:48,090 you have to have an analog you have to 2506 01:56:54,290 --> 01:56:52,050 have an analogue of the light yes but if 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were talking about blaze gradings 2632 02:02:23,300 --> 02:02:21,840 dividing light into its spectra the 2633 02:02:25,880 --> 02:02:23,310 amount of scientific information that 2634 02:02:29,570 --> 02:02:25,890 you can glean from dividing the light 2635 02:02:33,170 --> 02:02:29,580 and analyzing the light spectra is way 2636 02:02:34,820 --> 02:02:33,180 more than the oohs and ahhs of some sort 2637 02:02:38,030 --> 02:02:34,830 of you know optical event 2638 02:02:40,130 --> 02:02:38,040 at night what sort of gear are they 2639 02:02:43,340 --> 02:02:40,140 using up there do you know I don't 2640 02:02:46,600 --> 02:02:43,350 remember it would be there are a number 2641 02:02:51,640 --> 02:02:46,610 of scientific publications about 2642 02:02:55,550 --> 02:02:51,650 hessdalen and people are still divided 2643 02:03:00,170 --> 02:02:55,560 as to whether it's UFOs or a natural 2644 02:03:04,940 --> 02:03:00,180 process I personally think it's natural 2645 02:03:08,030 --> 02:03:04,950 myself that's what they publish but if 2646 02:03:10,640 --> 02:03:08,040 you take those guys aside you know very 2647 02:03:13,370 --> 02:03:10,650 couple of beers they'll tell you that 2648 02:03:16,250 --> 02:03:13,380 they've seen things that we're not they 2649 02:03:17,870 --> 02:03:16,260 don't think I'm natural but saying you 2650 02:03:21,080 --> 02:03:17,880 know it's an area of minds 2651 02:03:23,950 --> 02:03:21,090 there is outgassing from from some of 2652 02:03:29,210 --> 02:03:23,960 the terrain from some of the minds yeah 2653 02:03:33,020 --> 02:03:29,220 they they mind a very unusual element 2654 02:03:37,070 --> 02:03:33,030 called scandium and scandium is used in 2655 02:03:39,440 --> 02:03:37,080 high-tech again and there are only a few 2656 02:03:43,130 --> 02:03:39,450 mines around the world so it's a pretty 2657 02:03:45,560 --> 02:03:43,140 special area and scandium can be 2658 02:03:48,140 --> 02:03:45,570 luminous in contact with oxygen that 2659 02:03:50,510 --> 02:03:48,150 kind of things so so yes it could be 2660 02:03:52,610 --> 02:03:50,520 natural and the most of it could be 2661 02:03:54,590 --> 02:03:52,620 natural but they also see things I can't 2662 02:03:57,680 --> 02:03:54,600 explain right some of those some of the 2663 02:03:59,060 --> 02:03:57,690 lights do tend to give the impression of 2664 02:04:04,730 --> 02:03:59,070 some 2665 02:04:07,390 --> 02:04:04,740 movement that sort of thing in the San 2666 02:04:10,030 --> 02:04:07,400 Luis Valley for instance we have 2667 02:04:13,640 --> 02:04:10,040 billions of dollars of methane 2668 02:04:16,850 --> 02:04:13,650 underground so that combined with the 2669 02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:16,860 largest Rift Valley outside of the Great 2670 02:04:21,380 --> 02:04:19,050 Rift Valley in Africa the Rift Valley 2671 02:04:23,750 --> 02:04:21,390 that goes through that area up the song 2672 02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:23,760 grace goes from the Gulf of Mexico all 2673 02:04:27,610 --> 02:04:25,290 the way to Leadville you know which is 2674 02:04:30,230 --> 02:04:27,620 half way up in the middle of Colorado 2675 02:04:33,100 --> 02:04:30,240 combined some methane with some a lot of 2676 02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:33,110 quartz and you know piezoelectric 2677 02:04:40,010 --> 02:04:36,090 possible static discharge is that sort 2678 02:04:41,300 --> 02:04:40,020 of thing is gives you a sense that you 2679 02:04:43,610 --> 02:04:41,310 really have to wade through a lot of 2680 02:04:45,680 --> 02:04:43,620 potential natural explanations before 2681 02:04:48,200 --> 02:04:45,690 you get to something high strange that 2682 02:04:52,490 --> 02:04:48,210 does not explain a way what appear to be 2683 02:04:55,970 --> 02:04:52,500 hard you know dis coital you know metal 2684 02:04:58,760 --> 02:04:55,980 looking nuts-and-bolts type craft you 2685 02:05:00,910 --> 02:04:58,770 can't you know say that that's as the 2686 02:05:03,530 --> 02:05:00,920 result of a earthquake fault or methane 2687 02:05:05,630 --> 02:05:03,540 the good daylight sightings obviously 2688 02:05:07,790 --> 02:05:05,640 contain a lot more information if you're 2689 02:05:10,160 --> 02:05:07,800 monitoring an area than anything at 2690 02:05:13,370 --> 02:05:10,170 night with the exception of maybe a 2691 02:05:16,700 --> 02:05:13,380 blaze grading to you know separate light 2692 02:05:19,940 --> 02:05:16,710 into its spectral elements let's get 2693 02:05:22,760 --> 02:05:19,950 back to your book now your books I 2694 02:05:24,020 --> 02:05:22,770 should say the the series of books one 2695 02:05:25,610 --> 02:05:24,030 of the things that I've been saying for 2696 02:05:26,840 --> 02:05:25,620 years is people should be writing 2697 02:05:29,180 --> 02:05:26,850 everything down if you're an 2698 02:05:32,600 --> 02:05:29,190 investigator a researcher you should 2699 02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:32,610 have a diary a journal as Jacque knows I 2700 02:05:39,250 --> 02:05:35,610 had an extensive journal for my San Luis 2701 02:05:44,830 --> 02:05:39,260 Valley work how can we get people to 2702 02:05:48,290 --> 02:05:44,840 properly not only investigate research 2703 02:05:51,860 --> 02:05:48,300 an area that's maybe in their backyard 2704 02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:51,870 and document it properly but how do we 2705 02:05:58,880 --> 02:05:54,570 get them to a place where they can 2706 02:06:01,700 --> 02:05:58,890 properly analyze and objectively look at 2707 02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:01,710 what they're gathering in in what these 2708 02:06:07,130 --> 02:06:04,410 experiences are trying to tell them or 2709 02:06:09,860 --> 02:06:07,140 tell all of us I mean what can we do I 2710 02:06:11,870 --> 02:06:09,870 mean there's so many people out there 2711 02:06:13,970 --> 02:06:11,880 that really want to get involved 2712 02:06:15,590 --> 02:06:13,980 part of the solution but I don't really 2713 02:06:17,390 --> 02:06:15,600 think that there's really much of an 2714 02:06:20,300 --> 02:06:17,400 avenue for them to really be brought up 2715 02:06:22,610 --> 02:06:20,310 to speed in in a way that can really 2716 02:06:25,610 --> 02:06:22,620 educate them you know how to unfold 2717 02:06:29,660 --> 02:06:25,620 their process correctly do you have any 2718 02:06:33,110 --> 02:06:29,670 advice well the encouraging fact is that 2719 02:06:35,689 --> 02:06:33,120 people keep blogs these days on the 2720 02:06:38,570 --> 02:06:35,699 Internet and they write about you know 2721 02:06:41,540 --> 02:06:38,580 what that cat did today and it's a good 2722 02:06:43,660 --> 02:06:41,550 medium to keep notes and to keep Diaries 2723 02:06:46,669 --> 02:06:43,670 you don't have to write every day and 2724 02:06:48,200 --> 02:06:46,679 unless your life is really interesting 2725 02:06:52,820 --> 02:06:48,210 there won't be something to write about 2726 02:06:54,860 --> 02:06:52,830 every day but you know whenever you gain 2727 02:06:57,169 --> 02:06:54,870 some insight or you feel that you've 2728 02:07:01,850 --> 02:06:57,179 learned something I have a friend who 2729 02:07:06,080 --> 02:07:01,860 was diagnosed with a pretty nasty form 2730 02:07:08,120 --> 02:07:06,090 of cancer of the throat and he thought 2731 02:07:10,850 --> 02:07:08,130 that what he was going through could be 2732 02:07:12,979 --> 02:07:10,860 useful to other patients his raishin 2733 02:07:17,060 --> 02:07:12,989 ship with doctors you know the effects 2734 02:07:19,640 --> 02:07:17,070 of medication and so on and he started a 2735 02:07:22,250 --> 02:07:19,650 blog that was fascinating now he's also 2736 02:07:24,470 --> 02:07:22,260 a good writer they didn't write every 2737 02:07:27,680 --> 02:07:24,480 day but suddenly wrote every week or a 2738 02:07:32,419 --> 02:07:27,690 couple of times a week and eventually he 2739 02:07:34,700 --> 02:07:32,429 was he survived he was cured but you 2740 02:07:38,600 --> 02:07:34,710 know I'm sure it helped a lot of people 2741 02:07:41,689 --> 02:07:38,610 and you know you can do that didn't do 2742 02:07:45,979 --> 02:07:41,699 the same thing in this film it's going 2743 02:07:48,590 --> 02:07:45,989 to be when I look back at my notes for a 2744 02:07:50,330 --> 02:07:48,600 year for example it's going to be pretty 2745 02:07:53,060 --> 02:07:50,340 boring it's going to be fairly 2746 02:07:54,470 --> 02:07:53,070 repetitive and you forget that you've 2747 02:07:56,990 --> 02:07:54,480 already written something and you 2748 02:08:00,770 --> 02:07:57,000 rewrite it and hopefully you rewrite it 2749 02:08:02,419 --> 02:08:00,780 the same way but not always to me it's a 2750 02:08:06,200 --> 02:08:02,429 good discipline because it gives me an 2751 02:08:10,399 --> 02:08:06,210 insight into what I'm learning and what 2752 02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:10,409 I'm forgetting I have friends from that 2753 02:08:16,459 --> 02:08:14,010 era who had amazing memories and I 2754 02:08:18,110 --> 02:08:16,469 always envied the way they now they 2755 02:08:20,570 --> 02:08:18,120 could tell you what they had for 2756 02:08:23,120 --> 02:08:20,580 breakfast you know three years before 2757 02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:23,130 and I certainly can't do that I don't 2758 02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:25,850 have a good memory which maybe is 2759 02:08:31,930 --> 02:08:28,610 why I'm writing a lot of things down but 2760 02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:31,940 I find now that their memory isn't as 2761 02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:34,010 good as it used to be maybe 30 years ago 2762 02:08:40,990 --> 02:08:38,330 and they miss remember things that we 2763 02:08:43,810 --> 02:08:41,000 said or things that they did that I 2764 02:08:45,580 --> 02:08:43,820 remember because I have the record and I 2765 02:08:48,280 --> 02:08:45,590 think that's important because people 2766 02:08:50,830 --> 02:08:48,290 rewrite their life and that's 2767 02:08:53,290 --> 02:08:50,840 fortunately I mean our brain does that 2768 02:08:56,320 --> 02:08:53,300 they're our brain forgets the painful 2769 02:08:58,570 --> 02:08:56,330 things to save us because otherwise we 2770 02:09:01,300 --> 02:08:58,580 would be overwhelmed with you know all 2771 02:09:04,060 --> 02:09:01,310 the bad things that people have done to 2772 02:09:07,690 --> 02:09:04,070 us or said to us and things like that 2773 02:09:10,920 --> 02:09:07,700 and it remembers good things which is 2774 02:09:15,190 --> 02:09:10,930 also good nice nice feature of the brain 2775 02:09:18,040 --> 02:09:15,200 but in research you want to record 2776 02:09:21,220 --> 02:09:18,050 everything because you may need to go 2777 02:09:24,790 --> 02:09:21,230 back to an experiment you did two weeks 2778 02:09:26,380 --> 02:09:24,800 ago and and see if maybe you forgot 2779 02:09:28,420 --> 02:09:26,390 something but maybe you can learn 2780 02:09:30,220 --> 02:09:28,430 something from it so I was doing it in 2781 02:09:33,220 --> 02:09:30,230 that spirit the first thing about 2782 02:09:36,160 --> 02:09:33,230 writing is also to entertain your reader 2783 02:09:38,380 --> 02:09:36,170 there is no excuse for boring people to 2784 02:09:40,690 --> 02:09:38,390 death if you publish everything you're 2785 02:09:41,290 --> 02:09:40,700 right you're going to be boring people 2786 02:09:43,660 --> 02:09:41,300 to death 2787 02:09:45,790 --> 02:09:43,670 and there is such a thing is somebody 2788 02:09:48,490 --> 02:09:45,800 said that there is no such thing as good 2789 02:09:50,740 --> 02:09:48,500 writing it's really good editing no 2790 02:09:53,800 --> 02:09:50,750 writing is one thing but you have to 2791 02:09:55,810 --> 02:09:53,810 spend a lot more time editing and with a 2792 02:09:59,650 --> 02:09:55,820 diary of course you cannot edit because 2793 02:10:02,080 --> 02:09:59,660 you you cannot change the words what you 2794 02:10:05,320 --> 02:10:02,090 can do is you can cut the repetitions 2795 02:10:08,200 --> 02:10:05,330 you can make it more clear and that's 2796 02:10:11,110 --> 02:10:08,210 how you you go from you know a thousand 2797 02:10:15,520 --> 02:10:11,120 pages of chunk that nobody will read to 2798 02:10:17,020 --> 02:10:15,530 400 or 500 pages people will join let's 2799 02:10:18,610 --> 02:10:17,030 do our break here for two more segments 2800 02:10:28,910 --> 02:10:18,620 with Jacques fillet and gene and Chris 2801 02:10:37,460 --> 02:10:32,810 thank you for listening to GCN 2802 02:10:39,260 --> 02:10:37,470 be sure to visit GCN live.com today you 2803 02:10:41,750 --> 02:10:39,270 want to save money in a place that gives 2804 02:10:44,390 --> 02:10:41,760 you growth control and certainty without 2805 02:10:45,800 --> 02:10:44,400 stock market risk or tax risk and you 2806 02:10:48,680 --> 02:10:45,810 want guarantees and you want it all 2807 02:10:50,690 --> 02:10:48,690 tax-free that's a tall order but you can 2808 02:10:52,670 --> 02:10:50,700 get all of that with properly designed 2809 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02:14:10,950 --> 02:14:08,800 thousand dollars you may be at the top 2894 02:14:13,290 --> 02:14:10,960 of their hit list so don't take your tax 2895 02:14:15,540 --> 02:14:13,300 debt lightly because it will not go away 2896 02:14:18,030 --> 02:14:15,550 on its own the IRS can seize your bank 2897 02:14:21,000 --> 02:14:18,040 accounts your home and even shut down 2898 02:14:23,310 --> 02:14:21,010 your business call our tax experts today 2899 02:14:26,310 --> 02:14:23,320 at one eight hundred seven six five nine 2900 02:14:28,500 --> 02:14:26,320 six eight one and let us deal with the 2901 02:14:31,050 --> 02:14:28,510 IRS while you focus on your business 2902 02:14:34,110 --> 02:14:31,060 that's one eight hundred seven six five 2903 02:14:40,680 --> 02:14:34,120 nine six eight one again that's 800 2904 02:14:43,560 --> 02:14:40,690 seven six five nine six eight one hi 2905 02:14:46,110 --> 02:14:43,570 this is Don Ecker and you are tuned in 2906 02:14:48,480 --> 02:14:46,120 to the para cast let me tell you what 2907 02:14:52,020 --> 02:14:48,490 you're gonna hear stuff here that you 2908 02:14:54,389 --> 02:14:52,030 probably won't hear anywhere else hear 2909 02:14:56,949 --> 02:14:54,399 that George snoring 2910 02:15:00,179 --> 02:14:56,959 yes I don't like writing thousand page 2911 02:15:02,799 --> 02:15:00,189 books myself I think I actually did a 2912 02:15:07,349 --> 02:15:02,809 couple of computer books that were a 2913 02:15:10,359 --> 02:15:07,359 thousand or 1,200 pages don't even ask 2914 02:15:15,909 --> 02:15:10,369 different but if it's talking about your 2915 02:15:18,369 --> 02:15:15,919 life nobody wants yeah that's yeah well 2916 02:15:22,089 --> 02:15:18,379 I must say I you know my book stalking 2917 02:15:24,299 --> 02:15:22,099 the herd which I really I was in a 2918 02:15:27,060 --> 02:15:24,309 quandary of how much I should include 2919 02:15:30,369 --> 02:15:27,070 because it really will be the only 2920 02:15:33,819 --> 02:15:30,379 standalone book that looks at a case 2921 02:15:36,509 --> 02:15:33,829 history of the cattle mutilation mystery 2922 02:15:39,699 --> 02:15:36,519 and and I stuck to my guns and I 2923 02:15:42,609 --> 02:15:39,709 included a lot of cases in there you 2924 02:15:44,830 --> 02:15:42,619 know in a timeline format to show the 2925 02:15:49,239 --> 02:15:44,840 reader you know the extensiveness and 2926 02:15:51,629 --> 02:15:49,249 how just overwhelming the amount of 2927 02:15:54,939 --> 02:15:51,639 cases were and instead of you know 2928 02:15:56,409 --> 02:15:54,949 delineating out every single case I you 2929 02:15:59,399 --> 02:15:56,419 know I tried to highlight the important 2930 02:16:02,500 --> 02:15:59,409 cases that that the debunk the debunkers 2931 02:16:05,259 --> 02:16:02,510 basically and and then just mention the 2932 02:16:06,759 --> 02:16:05,269 other cases in passing but you know I've 2933 02:16:08,229 --> 02:16:06,769 taken some flak people say well you 2934 02:16:10,750 --> 02:16:08,239 should have condensed all those cases 2935 02:16:13,869 --> 02:16:10,760 and into you know into a more manageable 2936 02:16:16,859 --> 02:16:13,879 format and I I disagree I think it was 2937 02:16:19,330 --> 02:16:16,869 important to to put on the record an 2938 02:16:21,759 --> 02:16:19,340 unfolding of thousands and thousands of 2939 02:16:25,989 --> 02:16:21,769 cases of cattle deaths that that were 2940 02:16:28,929 --> 02:16:25,999 not explained and you know it's one it's 2941 02:16:31,119 --> 02:16:28,939 one thing to have a diary and have too 2942 02:16:34,359 --> 02:16:31,129 much information it's another thing to 2943 02:16:38,709 --> 02:16:34,369 have you know a standalone encyclopedia 2944 02:16:41,609 --> 02:16:38,719 of a particular phenomenon it's a casual 2945 02:16:45,219 --> 02:16:41,619 preservation and that should be you know 2946 02:16:47,969 --> 02:16:45,229 integral so you want everything the 2947 02:16:51,250 --> 02:16:47,979 other thing about a diary know is that 2948 02:16:54,309 --> 02:16:51,260 the events that you're talking about are 2949 02:16:57,849 --> 02:16:54,319 in the context of what happens to 2950 02:17:01,169 --> 02:16:57,859 somebody's life and you know so much of 2951 02:17:04,689 --> 02:17:01,179 silence is these days is completely dry 2952 02:17:06,459 --> 02:17:04,699 which is why there is no you know there 2953 02:17:07,330 --> 02:17:06,469 are histories of the internet but they 2954 02:17:10,990 --> 02:17:07,340 are written by people 2955 02:17:12,459 --> 02:17:11,000 I'm not there by historians and I and by 2956 02:17:14,830 --> 02:17:12,469 journalists who have interviewed the 2957 02:17:16,839 --> 02:17:14,840 people who were there but the people who 2958 02:17:19,030 --> 02:17:16,849 were there I mean the few exceptions 2959 02:17:22,629 --> 02:17:19,040 like me didn't quite anything at the 2960 02:17:25,030 --> 02:17:22,639 time so you lose the human dimension I 2961 02:17:27,820 --> 02:17:25,040 mean these people had you know wives and 2962 02:17:31,270 --> 02:17:27,830 girlfriends and and the cars and kids 2963 02:17:35,349 --> 02:17:31,280 and histories of with their their boss 2964 02:17:37,990 --> 02:17:35,359 and and with their company and and all 2965 02:17:43,990 --> 02:17:38,000 that should be in there because so much 2966 02:17:53,799 --> 02:17:44,000 is otherwise is incomprehensible there 2967 02:17:57,030 --> 02:17:53,809 there was a in 97 two groups of well the 2968 02:18:03,160 --> 02:17:57,040 Bank of America and one major group of 2969 02:18:07,150 --> 02:18:03,170 financial underwriters put up money to 2970 02:18:10,660 --> 02:18:07,160 do a celebration of 50 years of the 2971 02:18:16,150 --> 02:18:10,670 transistor you know transistor was 2972 02:18:20,379 --> 02:18:16,160 invented in 1947 coincidental lab7 it 2973 02:18:23,410 --> 02:18:20,389 was 50 years so they invited all the 2974 02:18:25,990 --> 02:18:23,420 tires were still alive and they invited 2975 02:18:27,669 --> 02:18:26,000 a thousand people and my wife and I were 2976 02:18:30,669 --> 02:18:27,679 lucky enough to be among the people 2977 02:18:33,580 --> 02:18:30,679 invited it was a fairly formal dinner 2978 02:18:36,700 --> 02:18:33,590 and a big place in San Jose center of 2979 02:18:39,549 --> 02:18:36,710 Silicon Valley and these people came up 2980 02:18:41,290 --> 02:18:39,559 one after the other and they had five or 2981 02:18:45,629 --> 02:18:41,300 ten minutes to talk about what they had 2982 02:18:49,000 --> 02:18:45,639 done and all of them one after the other 2983 02:18:52,480 --> 02:18:49,010 we're staying things like well you know 2984 02:18:54,730 --> 02:18:52,490 I was working at Fairchild and I was 2985 02:18:57,339 --> 02:18:54,740 working at Bell Labs and I had always 2986 02:19:00,520 --> 02:18:57,349 wanted to try something and my boss said 2987 02:19:03,459 --> 02:19:00,530 if you work one more time you know on 2988 02:19:05,459 --> 02:19:03,469 this I'm going to fire you so we we 2989 02:19:07,839 --> 02:19:05,469 would come back on weekends and work 2990 02:19:10,810 --> 02:19:07,849 work on this thing when he wasn't there 2991 02:19:12,459 --> 02:19:10,820 and that's how we discovered you know 2992 02:19:14,679 --> 02:19:12,469 this period of memory that's how we 2993 02:19:17,099 --> 02:19:14,689 discovered these cleaners of fiber 2994 02:19:19,690 --> 02:19:17,109 that's how we discovered this kind of 2995 02:19:21,009 --> 02:19:19,700 integrated circuit that's why I mean all 2996 02:19:23,919 --> 02:19:21,019 the great discoveries were 2997 02:19:25,719 --> 02:19:23,929 made by people who were told that Italy 2998 02:19:27,309 --> 02:19:25,729 should work on this one more hour of 2999 02:19:29,859 --> 02:19:27,319 fire I'll fire you 3000 02:19:32,799 --> 02:19:29,869 the the transistor is fascinating 3001 02:19:35,979 --> 02:19:32,809 because there is a movie that is on the 3002 02:19:40,450 --> 02:19:35,989 internet about you know those guys the 3003 02:19:43,120 --> 02:19:40,460 three Nobel Prizes Shockley it's a very 3004 02:19:45,219 --> 02:19:43,130 good documentary and I recommend it 3005 02:19:47,410 --> 02:19:45,229 highly it's incredible if you look at 3006 02:19:49,809 --> 02:19:47,420 the documentary you'll see that there 3007 02:19:52,859 --> 02:19:49,819 little experiment is on the table that 3008 02:19:55,450 --> 02:19:52,869 has rollers and most people miss that 3009 02:19:58,300 --> 02:19:55,460 they're the reason that their people 3010 02:20:00,490 --> 02:19:58,310 experimental table as rollers is that 3011 02:20:02,439 --> 02:20:00,500 when they are done with it they roll it 3012 02:20:06,429 --> 02:20:02,449 into a closet and they close the closet 3013 02:20:09,910 --> 02:20:06,439 so that they are bossing no the 3014 02:20:12,670 --> 02:20:09,920 transistor was all about electronic 3015 02:20:15,490 --> 02:20:12,680 tones you ever selling triodes you know 3016 02:20:16,330 --> 02:20:15,500 and they thought the transistor was a 3017 02:20:18,849 --> 02:20:16,340 dumb idea 3018 02:20:22,149 --> 02:20:18,859 in fact the transistor had been patented 3019 02:20:23,889 --> 02:20:22,159 in Germany in 1934 so it doesn't come 3020 02:20:27,099 --> 02:20:23,899 from Roswell I mean that's what I was 3021 02:20:28,059 --> 02:20:27,109 gonna say I'm sorry you know the ghost 3022 02:20:31,809 --> 02:20:28,069 of Philip Corso 3023 02:20:33,910 --> 02:20:31,819 sorry there pal evidence train there's 3024 02:20:36,160 --> 02:20:33,920 also an evidence train for fiber optics 3025 02:20:38,080 --> 02:20:36,170 there's an evidence train for velcro you 3026 02:20:41,380 --> 02:20:38,090 could go down the list night vision 3027 02:20:44,740 --> 02:20:41,390 technology for instance yes well fiber 3028 02:20:48,210 --> 02:20:44,750 optic was not a long long time it wasn't 3029 02:20:52,510 --> 02:20:48,220 known as a form of high-speed digital 3030 02:20:56,069 --> 02:20:52,520 communication but in 1947 there was no 3031 02:20:59,109 --> 02:20:56,079 digital communication anyway so but the 3032 02:21:03,240 --> 02:20:59,119 people knew how to drive light around 3033 02:21:07,689 --> 02:21:03,250 with fibers with glass fibers so 3034 02:21:10,510 --> 02:21:07,699 constantly find myself to his defense no 3035 02:21:13,029 --> 02:21:10,520 cannon console never pretended to be a 3036 02:21:16,540 --> 02:21:13,039 scientist and he had a job to do with 3037 02:21:20,309 --> 02:21:16,550 some strange materials and you know he 3038 02:21:22,960 --> 02:21:20,319 gave it to a few companies and 3039 02:21:25,389 --> 02:21:22,970 you know we really were running out of 3040 02:21:28,469 --> 02:21:25,399 time and I really like to ask some 3041 02:21:31,149 --> 02:21:28,479 questions from a very up-to-speed 3042 02:21:33,069 --> 02:21:31,159 listening audience that we have we have 3043 02:21:34,280 --> 02:21:33,079 a bunch of people posters that are way 3044 02:21:36,920 --> 02:21:34,290 smarter than I am 3045 02:21:39,950 --> 02:21:36,930 and I'd like to fire a couple of 3046 02:21:43,160 --> 02:21:39,960 questions at you some of them are pretty 3047 02:21:46,100 --> 02:21:43,170 general but you know let me start out a 3048 02:21:48,920 --> 02:21:46,110 question from William strothman you know 3049 02:21:51,200 --> 02:21:48,930 dr. Bella from 1977 until today the last 3050 02:21:53,660 --> 02:21:51,210 40 years have you learned anything new 3051 02:21:55,011 --> 02:21:53,670 about the UFO phenomenon I mean you can 3052 02:21:59,720 --> 02:21:55,021 make that as short or as long as you 3053 02:22:08,390 --> 02:22:05,360 so yes yes in 77 3054 02:22:11,630 --> 02:22:08,400 the distance another model that 3055 02:22:15,620 --> 02:22:11,640 everybody was working with was an ET 3056 02:22:17,210 --> 02:22:15,630 model an extraterrestrial model and it's 3057 02:22:20,030 --> 02:22:17,220 still it's still there it's still good I 3058 02:22:23,000 --> 02:22:20,040 mean there is no we cannot put any limit 3059 02:22:26,140 --> 02:22:23,010 on what can happen in this big universe 3060 02:22:31,130 --> 02:22:26,150 and maybe a few other universes like it 3061 02:22:33,560 --> 02:22:31,140 and so it's always there the problem is 3062 02:22:36,700 --> 02:22:33,570 well one thing we've learned is that the 3063 02:22:40,040 --> 02:22:36,710 ET explanation just doesn't explain the 3064 02:22:44,450 --> 02:22:40,050 observations which in science is a 3065 02:22:48,500 --> 02:22:44,460 problem so we have to look to cast a 3066 02:22:52,550 --> 02:22:48,510 wider net also we now know that the 3067 02:22:54,170 --> 02:22:52,560 phenomenon has other aspects I don't 3068 02:22:57,670 --> 02:22:54,180 want to say other dimensions but 3069 02:23:01,850 --> 02:22:57,680 certainly other aspects it has a very 3070 02:23:06,770 --> 02:23:01,860 prominent no obvious psychic aspect that 3071 02:23:09,610 --> 02:23:06,780 people were rejecting in 1977 saying 3072 02:23:11,870 --> 02:23:09,620 well you're talking about ghost stories 3073 02:23:13,550 --> 02:23:11,880 well we're not talking about ghost 3074 02:23:16,761 --> 02:23:13,560 stories which is still being rejected 3075 02:23:18,470 --> 02:23:16,771 today well yeah but that's fine but you 3076 02:23:22,390 --> 02:23:18,480 know people are still rejecting the 3077 02:23:26,120 --> 02:23:22,400 Internet in some places so that's fine 3078 02:23:28,280 --> 02:23:26,130 the that that's not going to stop the 3079 02:23:32,840 --> 02:23:28,290 research but now we have to integrate it 3080 02:23:34,970 --> 02:23:32,850 with what we have learned about about 3081 02:23:37,761 --> 02:23:34,980 consciousness about the role of 3082 02:23:39,980 --> 02:23:37,771 consciousness in physics not just in the 3083 02:23:44,810 --> 02:23:39,990 paranormal but in you know in quantum 3084 02:23:47,490 --> 02:23:44,820 mechanics and the we have to take that 3085 02:23:49,740 --> 02:23:47,500 into account in in the experiments 3086 02:23:53,810 --> 02:23:49,750 we do and when we talk to witnesses I 3087 02:23:57,360 --> 02:23:53,820 mean let's take an extra hour and say 3088 02:24:00,330 --> 02:23:57,370 tell the witness you know if you go back 3089 02:24:03,810 --> 02:24:00,340 into what was happening to you around 3090 02:24:06,630 --> 02:24:03,820 that time what else is there that you 3091 02:24:08,460 --> 02:24:06,640 haven't told me let's get the answer to 3092 02:24:12,480 --> 02:24:08,470 that in our final few minutes with 3093 02:24:14,190 --> 02:24:12,490 Jacques Vallee and Jean and Chris we'll 3094 02:24:20,490 --> 02:24:14,200 find out what they haven't told him 3095 02:24:32,880 --> 02:24:28,961 [Music] 3096 02:24:37,349 --> 02:24:32,890 thank you for listening to GCN 3097 02:24:39,599 --> 02:24:37,359 be sure to visit GCN live.com today as 3098 02:24:42,420 --> 02:24:39,609 you know neighbors web-hosting can be 3099 02:24:45,960 --> 02:24:42,430 pretty cheap but not all hosting is the 3100 02:24:48,689 --> 02:24:45,970 same dream host wins best of awards year 3101 02:24:51,540 --> 02:24:48,699 after year you get unlimited disk space 3102 02:24:53,630 --> 02:24:51,550 unlimited bandwidth and even the low 3103 02:24:56,729 --> 02:24:53,640 cost plans put your sights on 3104 02:24:59,219 --> 02:24:56,739 high-performance SSDs well I know 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02:28:57,560 --> 02:28:55,440 let's pick up on that question for the 3203 02:28:59,900 --> 02:28:57,570 final few minutes fear shock what 3204 02:29:02,030 --> 02:28:59,910 happened they told you interesting start 3205 02:29:06,350 --> 02:29:02,040 well I'll give you an example you know 3206 02:29:08,870 --> 02:29:06,360 tell no coin with a helicopter in Ohio 3207 02:29:12,051 --> 02:29:08,880 the case it was mentioned at the United 3208 02:29:14,301 --> 02:29:12,061 Nations in 78 okay everybody has been 3209 02:29:17,990 --> 02:29:14,311 arguing about this what kind of UFO it 3210 02:29:20,180 --> 02:29:18,000 was that lifted a helicopter with you 3211 02:29:23,060 --> 02:29:20,190 know the army guys coming back from I 3212 02:29:25,730 --> 02:29:23,070 saw a member from a medical test so I 3213 02:29:29,301 --> 02:29:25,740 took the coin to the side you know 3214 02:29:31,341 --> 02:29:29,311 outside the session and I asked him you 3215 02:29:33,560 --> 02:29:31,351 know what went through your mind when 3216 02:29:36,051 --> 02:29:33,570 that was happening and you were you were 3217 02:29:38,990 --> 02:29:36,061 piloting that helicopter and I said you 3218 02:29:43,460 --> 02:29:39,000 know what did you what did you do and he 3219 02:29:45,980 --> 02:29:43,470 said dr. Valle I closed my eyes and 3220 02:29:49,190 --> 02:29:45,990 prepared to die okay you know that's 3221 02:29:51,710 --> 02:29:49,200 pretty clear from a tsunami guy piloting 3222 02:29:53,780 --> 02:29:51,720 a you know being helicopter that was 3223 02:29:56,301 --> 02:29:53,790 doing things that it couldn't do because 3224 02:29:59,810 --> 02:29:56,311 it was being lifted at very very high 3225 02:30:01,820 --> 02:29:59,820 speed by a light and I said well what 3226 02:30:05,301 --> 02:30:01,830 else happened in your life afterwards 3227 02:30:09,080 --> 02:30:05,311 and he said well my sleep patterns 3228 02:30:11,680 --> 02:30:09,090 changed for a number of weeks and then I 3229 02:30:14,930 --> 02:30:11,690 had the feeling I could communicate with 3230 02:30:18,200 --> 02:30:14,940 lower-level life that I could I had 3231 02:30:20,540 --> 02:30:18,210 developed an interest in insects and 3232 02:30:23,841 --> 02:30:20,550 that and I thought that there was a 3233 02:30:26,740 --> 02:30:23,851 level of consciousness where I could 3234 02:30:29,690 --> 02:30:26,750 communicate with or at least understand 3235 02:30:33,560 --> 02:30:29,700 insect life at the consciousness level 3236 02:30:35,780 --> 02:30:33,570 well that's not in the army report it's 3237 02:30:38,690 --> 02:30:35,790 not in the report to the United Nations 3238 02:30:40,940 --> 02:30:38,700 it's not in all those things you have to 3239 02:30:43,970 --> 02:30:40,950 take the time to you don't have a cup of 3240 02:30:46,270 --> 02:30:43,980 coffee with the guy and make it clear 3241 02:30:48,801 --> 02:30:46,280 that you know there is a human being 3242 02:30:51,410 --> 02:30:48,811 talking to somebody who have had an 3243 02:30:52,650 --> 02:30:51,420 experience and of course I've had my own 3244 02:30:55,410 --> 02:30:52,660 experience with 3245 02:30:57,150 --> 02:30:55,420 you have to gain the trust of people and 3246 02:30:58,650 --> 02:30:57,160 talk to them on that level and then 3247 02:31:00,960 --> 02:30:58,660 you're going to burn all kinds of things 3248 02:31:03,030 --> 02:31:00,970 and to finish you know the model we have 3249 02:31:06,210 --> 02:31:03,040 of phenomenon today is completely 3250 02:31:08,969 --> 02:31:06,220 different from the model we had in in 77 3251 02:31:12,420 --> 02:31:08,979 you see this is an argument I've raised 3252 02:31:13,920 --> 02:31:12,430 with people like MUFON me too there 3253 02:31:16,110 --> 02:31:13,930 should be a whole list of follow-up 3254 02:31:18,270 --> 02:31:16,120 questions and investigators should be 3255 02:31:19,710 --> 02:31:18,280 keeping in touch with people finding out 3256 02:31:22,080 --> 02:31:19,720 how their you know lives have changed 3257 02:31:23,400 --> 02:31:22,090 how their views have changed how their 3258 02:31:26,010 --> 02:31:23,410 feelings about religion about 3259 02:31:28,530 --> 02:31:26,020 spirituality about consciousness there's 3260 02:31:31,230 --> 02:31:28,540 none of this in the the MUFON model none 3261 02:31:33,480 --> 02:31:31,240 of it well new phone is not a monolith I 3262 02:31:37,610 --> 02:31:33,490 mean there are people within your phone 3263 02:31:40,679 --> 02:31:37,620 well certainly interested in that and 3264 02:31:44,250 --> 02:31:40,689 you know you can find it well I know 3265 02:31:46,950 --> 02:31:44,260 that I've talked to people as has Chris 3266 02:31:48,540 --> 02:31:46,960 on the power cast man these are people 3267 02:31:51,630 --> 02:31:48,550 who were investigators from MUFON and 3268 02:31:52,560 --> 02:31:51,640 they have an open enlightened viewpoint 3269 02:31:55,350 --> 02:31:52,570 of the subject 3270 02:31:58,530 --> 02:31:55,360 they've read your works and other works 3271 02:32:01,170 --> 02:31:58,540 to expand their horizons and certainly 3272 02:32:03,600 --> 02:32:01,180 they'd be happy to deal with that kind 3273 02:32:05,940 --> 02:32:03,610 of structure but that structure doesn't 3274 02:32:10,050 --> 02:32:05,950 exist on the organizational level and 3275 02:32:13,170 --> 02:32:10,060 when I asked once Jan Harsin why aren't 3276 02:32:14,700 --> 02:32:13,180 you considering the witness to not just 3277 02:32:16,590 --> 02:32:14,710 the event as being some kind of 3278 02:32:19,170 --> 02:32:16,600 independent thing of they saw UFO let's 3279 02:32:21,719 --> 02:32:19,180 get the information what it looked like 3280 02:32:24,300 --> 02:32:21,729 you know with a coin held at arm's 3281 02:32:26,760 --> 02:32:24,310 length for usual stuff what about the 3282 02:32:28,980 --> 02:32:26,770 witness the experiences what happened 3283 02:32:30,330 --> 02:32:28,990 before what happened after their family 3284 02:32:32,940 --> 02:32:30,340 background all the thousands of 3285 02:32:35,850 --> 02:32:32,950 questions that field investigators like 3286 02:32:38,880 --> 02:32:35,860 Chris would come up with and he says 3287 02:32:41,520 --> 02:32:38,890 well if they give us that information if 3288 02:32:43,950 --> 02:32:41,530 they give us that information the 3289 02:32:46,830 --> 02:32:43,960 experiencer is more important than the 3290 02:32:50,040 --> 02:32:46,840 experience right you know I will always 3291 02:32:52,920 --> 02:32:50,050 contend that that that is really the 3292 02:32:54,780 --> 02:32:52,930 total blind spot I think for 3293 02:32:57,540 --> 02:32:54,790 Investigative ufology is they don't 3294 02:32:59,780 --> 02:32:57,550 realize it's not so much what happened 3295 02:33:02,910 --> 02:32:59,790 it's the effect of that experience 3296 02:33:05,639 --> 02:33:02,920 individually on on the experiencers but 3297 02:33:06,580 --> 02:33:05,649 also how that then dovetails into the 3298 02:33:11,530 --> 02:33:06,590 culture 3299 02:33:14,229 --> 02:33:11,540 and has found admire newfound they own 3300 02:33:17,500 --> 02:33:14,239 the only organization that today will go 3301 02:33:19,240 --> 02:33:17,510 out there and preserve a record but you 3302 02:33:22,960 --> 02:33:19,250 have to remember the mission they set 3303 02:33:26,380 --> 02:33:22,970 for themselves was to impress the 3304 02:33:29,319 --> 02:33:26,390 scientists and convince them to to join 3305 02:33:31,990 --> 02:33:29,329 in in that research to look at us homes 3306 02:33:34,689 --> 02:33:32,000 and they think rightly or wrongly that 3307 02:33:38,229 --> 02:33:34,699 to to impress the scientists they have 3308 02:33:40,719 --> 02:33:38,239 to focus on the physical parameters and 3309 02:33:43,210 --> 02:33:40,729 you know since their mission I'm not 3310 02:33:45,790 --> 02:33:43,220 going to second-guess that I wish there 3311 02:33:48,969 --> 02:33:45,800 was another organization somewhere that 3312 02:33:51,880 --> 02:33:48,979 was more looking at that's one of the 3313 02:33:55,240 --> 02:33:51,890 reasons that Allen Hynek last Chicago 3314 02:33:58,120 --> 02:33:55,250 you know that he wanted to para near in 3315 02:34:00,880 --> 02:33:58,130 a different kind of organization than 3316 02:34:03,670 --> 02:34:00,890 confess or MUFON or a number of others 3317 02:34:06,550 --> 02:34:03,680 and look more at the consciousness 3318 02:34:09,340 --> 02:34:06,560 aspects which was fascinating to him 3319 02:34:11,109 --> 02:34:09,350 that was a topic of conversation when we 3320 02:34:13,510 --> 02:34:11,119 were talking I mean that's what we were 3321 02:34:16,479 --> 02:34:13,520 talking dr. Hynek move I believe the 3322 02:34:18,280 --> 02:34:16,489 Scottsdale Arizona right yes that was 3323 02:34:28,179 --> 02:34:18,290 probably five or ten years before I 3324 02:34:30,010 --> 02:34:28,189 moved out here you know he by then we 3325 02:34:34,240 --> 02:34:30,020 didn't realize it but he was already 3326 02:34:37,059 --> 02:34:34,250 here and you know there was that that 3327 02:34:39,450 --> 02:34:37,069 project just couldn't put it where he 3328 02:34:43,300 --> 02:34:39,460 can get off the ground 3329 02:34:44,969 --> 02:34:43,310 yeah well it's dr. Valle there's so many 3330 02:34:48,460 --> 02:34:44,979 things that I wanted to cover in this 3331 02:34:53,889 --> 02:34:48,470 brief two hours I'm telling you if you 3332 02:34:56,380 --> 02:34:53,899 can somehow carve out some time to come 3333 02:34:59,769 --> 02:34:56,390 back and talk with us we'd really love 3334 02:35:02,349 --> 02:34:59,779 to continue the conversation and really 3335 02:35:04,899 --> 02:35:02,359 look in more detail at some of the 3336 02:35:10,510 --> 02:35:04,909 wonderful you know unfolding scenarios 3337 02:35:13,300 --> 02:35:10,520 that you have I'd love to know about 3338 02:35:16,149 --> 02:35:13,310 what Chris is doing with his research 3339 02:35:18,580 --> 02:35:16,159 what we could do here is maybe you know 3340 02:35:19,750 --> 02:35:18,590 in a month or two if you have the time 3341 02:35:21,969 --> 02:35:19,760 shocked 3342 02:35:23,860 --> 02:35:21,979 we'd be happy to have you back continue 3343 02:35:25,929 --> 02:35:23,870 this discussion there are questions from 3344 02:35:28,420 --> 02:35:25,939 listeners that we haven't a hope or a 3345 02:35:31,929 --> 02:35:28,430 prayer of getting to some very good 3346 02:35:34,269 --> 02:35:31,939 questions and I feel remiss what do you 3347 02:35:35,860 --> 02:35:34,279 see they'll attack Chris you see I'll 3348 02:35:38,679 --> 02:35:35,870 say it's Chris's fault because he's a 3349 02:35:40,269 --> 02:35:38,689 person and reach the questions say you 3350 02:35:42,400 --> 02:35:40,279 know you know it's not shox fault cuz 3351 02:35:44,700 --> 02:35:42,410 he's a good guy he's a good guy yeah I 3352 02:35:46,960 --> 02:35:44,710 accept all responsibility go ahead 3353 02:35:48,610 --> 02:35:46,970 alright now if your about it later 3354 02:35:50,740 --> 02:35:48,620 believe me oh boy 3355 02:35:53,740 --> 02:35:50,750 but really you know so we'll talk we'll 3356 02:35:55,360 --> 02:35:53,750 stay in touch and then as you know they 3357 02:35:59,889 --> 02:35:55,370 were and there will be new cases I'm 3358 02:36:06,849 --> 02:35:59,899 working on one case that I'll be able to 3359 02:36:09,219 --> 02:36:06,859 talk to it more length you know this 3360 02:36:11,110 --> 02:36:09,229 will be a kind of to be continued kind 3361 02:36:13,480 --> 02:36:11,120 of show which is I guess the most 3362 02:36:15,849 --> 02:36:13,490 fascinating kind and you can bet on 3363 02:36:17,650 --> 02:36:15,859 after the power cast this week Chris and 3364 02:36:19,420 --> 02:36:17,660 I will have some really interesting 3365 02:36:21,940 --> 02:36:19,430 things to say we may even pull a couple 3366 02:36:22,690 --> 02:36:21,950 of panel members on there to further the 3367 02:36:24,940 --> 02:36:22,700 discussion 3368 02:36:26,440 --> 02:36:24,950 you're like a Greg bishop or someone you 3369 02:36:29,440 --> 02:36:26,450 know I have some ideas in mind 3370 02:36:31,389 --> 02:36:29,450 Jacque if our listeners wanted to follow 3371 02:36:33,790 --> 02:36:31,399 up on this do you have an active website 3372 02:36:37,030 --> 02:36:33,800 or a way they can check out your current 3373 02:36:40,150 --> 02:36:37,040 stuff yeah it's just my name you know 3374 02:36:46,679 --> 02:36:40,160 the challenge is to spell my my French 3375 02:36:51,040 --> 02:36:46,689 you know French name AC qu es and then 3376 02:36:58,480 --> 02:36:51,050 in one word know up on say we can get 3377 02:37:01,570 --> 02:36:58,490 away with just e the accent okay 3378 02:37:03,730 --> 02:37:01,580 excellent well I'm telling you like I 3379 02:37:06,250 --> 02:37:03,740 said I'm not a fan boy but boy I am 3380 02:37:10,030 --> 02:37:06,260 president of your fan club whether you 3381 02:37:12,820 --> 02:37:10,040 like it or not as websites go my website 3382 02:37:13,269 --> 02:37:12,830 is pretty lame but it does have a peel 3383 02:37:15,730 --> 02:37:13,279 box 3384 02:37:18,880 --> 02:37:15,740 addressing people want to want to write 3385 02:37:21,309 --> 02:37:18,890 to me you know sure thing we can be 3386 02:37:24,429 --> 02:37:21,319 found on Twitter if you go look for the 3387 02:37:26,440 --> 02:37:24,439 para cast on Twitter we also have to 3388 02:37:28,510 --> 02:37:26,450 power cast fan clubs on Facebook shock 3389 02:37:30,790 --> 02:37:28,520 don't ask me how that happened no one's 3390 02:37:32,440 --> 02:37:30,800 a group once a community and it makes no 3391 02:37:33,370 --> 02:37:32,450 difference to me it's whichever one you 3392 02:37:35,650 --> 02:37:33,380 want we have 3393 02:37:38,650 --> 02:37:35,660 after the power cast the exclusive 3394 02:37:40,360 --> 02:37:38,660 feature from the power cast plus you 3395 02:37:41,980 --> 02:37:40,370 also get the commercial-free version of 3396 02:37:44,770 --> 02:37:41,990 this show and you get lots of other good 3397 02:37:46,750 --> 02:37:44,780 stuff all tremendous things and the 3398 02:37:49,000 --> 02:37:46,760 after the power cast podcast by the way 3399 02:37:51,070 --> 02:37:49,010 has had some amazing guests and 3400 02:37:55,020 --> 02:37:51,080 discussions and debates like last week 3401 02:38:00,670 --> 02:37:55,030 we had Randall Murphy on this show and 3402 02:38:03,100 --> 02:38:00,680 he was in the mood to debate on Travis 3403 02:38:05,650 --> 02:38:03,110 Walton with our guests that was very 3404 02:38:08,170 --> 02:38:05,660 interesting so certainly it's something 3405 02:38:10,230 --> 02:38:08,180 you should check into it's not just me 3406 02:38:12,280 --> 02:38:10,240 and Chris kippot sing about pop culture 3407 02:38:15,610 --> 02:38:12,290 which is very important to our society 3408 02:38:19,120 --> 02:38:15,620 to learn more go to plus dr. Peric ascom 3409 02:38:21,070 --> 02:38:19,130 that's PL u.s. not the parent caste calm 3410 02:38:23,889 --> 02:38:21,080 the prices started just out of 49 in a 3411 02:38:25,990 --> 02:38:23,899 week we have monthly annual five-year 3412 02:38:28,150 --> 02:38:26,000 and lifetime if you go for the long term 3413 02:38:30,670 --> 02:38:28,160 subscriptions by the way at free books 3414 02:38:33,280 --> 02:38:30,680 and other goodies we give you stuff to 3415 02:38:34,929 --> 02:38:33,290 do that plus dr. Perrin cast calm Jack 3416 02:38:38,590 --> 02:38:34,939 Foley thanks for joining us on the power 3417 02:38:41,080 --> 02:38:38,600 cast thank you very much thank you crazy 3418 02:38:53,309 --> 02:38:41,090 team pleasure talking to you 3419 02:38:59,859 --> 02:38:56,830 the para cast featuring gene Steinberg 3420 02:39:02,700 --> 02:38:59,869 and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted 3421 02:39:06,460 --> 02:39:02,710 presentation of making the impossible